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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Here is a link to a diamondbacks board.
    http://forum.diamondbacksbullpen.org/

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Nick Camino ‏@CaminoTribe

    Nothing yet to report on #Indians RF Shin-Soo Choo, however a source confirmed that SS Asdrubal Cabrera will not be traded tonight.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Thanks for the link, Gallen!

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I agree with this, but I think the big thing to remember is how young he is at the AAA level. That's a pretty huge factor IMO with regards to his bat.
    On top of that, has Didi ever hit lefties?

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    I'm hearing (voices in my head) Cozart, Stubbs, Corcino, Ondrusek for Cabrera, Choo, and Pestano.

    Then the Reds are flipping Gregorius to the D-Backs for Bauer.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I'm hearing (voices in my head) Cozart, Stubbs, Corcino, Ondrusek for Cabrera, Choo, and Pestano.

    Then the Reds are flipping Gregorius to the D-Backs for Bauer.
    Now THAT would be a Merry Christmas, indeed!

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Meh, not that impressed with Choo. I'm just not on the "Dump Drew" bandwagon. I think there will be greater problems with the Reds than CF.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I'm hearing (voices in my head) Cozart, Stubbs, Corcino, Ondrusek for Cabrera, Choo, and Pestano.

    Then the Reds are flipping Gregorius to the D-Backs for Bauer.
    Offensively, that's great. But we're winning with pitching and defense nowadays. I like his bat, but I really don't want to see Cabrera penciled in as our full-time shortstop. As far as I'm concerned, that will ALWAYS be a defense-first position.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Meh, not that impressed with Choo. I'm just not on the "Dump Drew" bandwagon. I think there will be greater problems with the Reds than CF.
    .381 career OBP. What's not to like?

    That's about a dream come true with regard to the Reds' top-of-the-order deficiency in getting people on base.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I don't get why people think the Reds are trying to get Cabrera too. I don't see anything on the trade rumors that says that.

    I thought it was just Arizona trying to get him through a 3-team trade?

    I kinda like the first trade proposal of simply Stubbs, Gregorius for Choo. No harm done to the Reds.
    Adding Cabrera doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    It is a shame that Stubbs is going in the deal. Choo and Stubbs would make a great platoon as Choo is not good vs. LHP, especially last year.

    Career splits
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ear=Career&t=b

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    Split	         G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+
    vs RHP as LHB	629	        2058	1759	       540	124	15	70	296	70	20	257	408	.307	.400	.514	.914	904	34	27	0	15	26	15	.363	116 
    vs LHP as LHB	432	        907	794	        198	39	4	13	77	15	8	80	226	.249	.338	.358	.695	284	11	28	1	4	0	3	.331	66
    vs LH Starter	190	168	767	648	94	177	41	5	11	81	13	7	95	162	.273	.378	.403	.781	261	10	18	0	6	9	3	.345	86
    vs RH Starter	509	496	2198	1905	296	561	122	14	72	292	72	21	242	472	.294	.382	.487	.869	927	35	37	1	13	17	15	.356	105
    Last edited by klw; 12-11-2012 at 07:08 PM.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Meh, not that impressed with Choo. I'm just not on the "Dump Drew" bandwagon. I think there will be greater problems with the Reds than CF.
    What are these problems you foresee other than CF/leadoff hitter?

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    I don't think alot of Reds fans begin to realize how bad our 1 and 2 hole hitters were last year, and probably the year before.

    I'd bet money that batting Choo leadoff or second with BP up there too, that Votto will have alot of men on base this season unlike any season prior.

    People just underestimate the value of OBP. Choo is the real deal. He's not a Jacoby Ellsbury one season wonder.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Looking at Stubbs vs. Choo. When healthy and playing around 150+ games each, Choo averages about 25 to 35 more walks per season.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRoser View Post
    Thanks for the link, Gallen!
    Your welcome. Hopefully the trade goes through.


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