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Thread: Reds acquire Shin-Soo Choo and Jason Donald for Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorious

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Choo has already demonstrated how much he likes hitting in GABP. I think he'll like some of the other NL Central and NL east parks just as much.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I don't think alot of Reds fans begin to realize how bad our 1 and 2 hole hitters were last year, and probably the year before.

    I'd bet money that batting Choo leadoff or second with BP up there too, that Votto will have alot of men on base this season unlike any season prior.

    People just underestimate the value of OBP. Choo is the real deal. He's not a Jacoby Ellsbury one season wonder.

    The way to really protect Votto is to have runners on base ahead of him. If they want to walk him then, that's how you score multiple runs.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    I like the deal, but it's a lot to give up for one year of Choo.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I don't think alot of Reds fans begin to realize how bad our 1 and 2 hole hitters were last year, and probably the year before.

    I'd bet money that batting Choo leadoff or second with BP up there too, that Votto will have alot of men on base this season unlike any season prior.

    People just underestimate the value of OBP. Choo is the real deal. He's not a Jacoby Ellsbury one season wonder.
    I believe last year, around 75% of Votto's PA's came with the bases empty. Which is absurd for a number 3 hitter.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    I like the deal, but it's a lot to give up for one year of Choo.
    Meh. I don't think the Reds are really giving anything up. Stubbs was finished as far as the Reds' long-term plans are concerned. And to be honest, I never saw the fascination over Gregorious.

    If you had asked me what it would take to acquire Choo, I would assume a LOT more than this.
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    If Cabrera is included, not sure how I feel about it. Definitely improves the offense. But definitely weakens the D.

    I'd be surprised if the Reds were willing to take on that much payroll.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    If Cabrera is included, not sure how I feel about it. Definitely improves the offense. But definitely weakens the D.

    I'd be surprised if the Reds were willing to take on that much payroll.
    He's not included. That much we know sure as s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    Meh. I don't think the Reds are really giving anything up. Stubbs was finished as far as the Reds' long-term plans are concerned. And to be honest, I never saw the fascination over Gregorious.

    If you had asked me what it would take to acquire Choo, I would assume a LOT more than this.
    I agree. I've never thought of Gregorius as anything more than a utility guy with a great glove. Janish-lite.

    My I-Phone just had a pop-up update from Cincinnati Baseball stating what we all know......"Reds close to trading for Choo".

    Old news, but interesting that it just popped up on my phone.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    He's not included. That much we know sure as s...
    Based on one tweet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I don't really understand the Didi love myself. How many SS are there in the minors who fit in to that "can really pick it and will really be something if his bat pans out" category? It's not like Did has lit up the upper minors with his bat.

    At some point, you only have 25 men on a roster with which you have to win the World Series. You don't let role players or fringe starters get in the way of significantly improving your ball club.
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    Reds also may get another player. Any guesses? Jason Donald?
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    Okay, didn't realize this. 4 of the Indians top 5 prospects....shortstops. Interesting.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    I can't wait for this to be final. I bet we don't hear until tomorrow though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Reds also may get another player. Any guesses? Jason Donald?
    At this point, I'd take Tony Wolters as the future heir to 2B.

    Indians will have DiDi + Lindor + Cabrera for their MI. Wolters would seem expendable and the Reds have nothing left in the minors MI.
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Reds also may get another player. Any guesses? Jason Donald?
    I would like it to be one of their lefty relievers.
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