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Thread: Reds acquire Shin-Soo Choo and Jason Donald for Drew Stubbs and Didi Gregorious

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Who would make a better hypothetical defensive CF - J.Upton or Choo?
    I'd be way more comfortable with Upton.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I can't even imagine Cabrera being in this deal. At least, not for what has been proposed in what we're giving up.
    I would imagine the Reds would be giving up more to get Cabrera, starting with Cozart.
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    Where are you guys getting Upton from? Are you just pulling this out of thin air?
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I would imagine the Reds would be giving up more to get Cabrera, starting with Cozart.
    How do Cabrera and Choo fit on payroll just out of curiosity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I would imagine the Reds would be giving up more to get Cabrera, starting with Cozart.
    What would Cleveland do with Cozart and Didi though?
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Where are you guys getting Upton from? Are you just pulling this out of thin air?
    Well, if Gregorius is being sent to Arizona, why not just try to go straight to Arizona and acquire Upton instead of Choo.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Where are you guys getting Upton from? Are you just pulling this out of thin air?
    Putting 2 +2 together. Upton available and Dbacks want a shortstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    How do Cabrera and Choo fit on payroll just out of curiosity?
    Because the real answer is NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has any idea what our payroll can or cannot fit at this point.
    Go BLUE!!!

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Putting 2 +2 together. Upton available and Dbacks want a shortstop.
    So yes, just pulling it out of thin air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Well, if Gregorius is being sent to Arizona, why not just try to go straight to Arizona and acquire Upton instead of Choo.
    That's what I've been advocating all along.

    Gregorius, Stubbs and Leake for Upton. DO IT!
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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Because the real answer is NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has any idea what our payroll can or cannot fit at this point.
    Agreed.

    And re: Upton, yea...just putting pieces together. If AZ is truly involved, which has been confirmed, then Bauer or Upton is likely on the block.

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    What would Cleveland do with Cozart and Didi though?
    Didi is going to Arizona it sounds like.
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    I love this stuff!

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Choo almost assuredly is not as bad a fielder as last year indicated, as he's not that old, and other seasons he has been more than adequate. He'd clearly be below average in CF, but his bat would of course more than make up the difference.
    His UZR/150 based upon 5000+ defensive innings in RF is -3. That suggests he might be expected to be something like a -10 to -12 defender in CF.

    He's probably going to be projected to be a .360-.370 wOBA type bat.

    So assuming he played 600 PAs in CF, he'd be roughly +26 runs above average offensively versus a generic league average bat, he'd get +2.5 for doing it in center, and he'd get an additional +20 for the difference between replacement and "average".

    So the Reds would be looking at getting a 3.5-4.0 WAR player if they traded for Choo and stuck him in center and he played without significant injury.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Shin-soo Choo?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Didi is going to Arizona it sounds like.
    Source? That makes sense, but I havent seen anything in stone yet.


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