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    Dickey to Jays almost done

    Dickey for D'Arnaud and Gose as principals. Other players likely prospects may be involved in the final deal. Jays prefer to send Arencibia over D'Arnaud. Mets also want a catcher which is why prospects are being talked. Two sources I read say the principal part isa done deal though.

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    I like Dickey, but I just don't see him repeating last year. And isn't he on a one year deal? Seems like the Jays are overpaying, but it's hard to say that because he just won the CYA. Just seems like a risky guy going forward. And trading the #1 catching prospect for a question mark is a poor move IMO.
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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    On a relared note those crazy Cubbies sign 36 y/o Korean reliever Lim Chang-Yong a sidearm Rh with 296 saves in Asian leagues over 18 yrs. He just had shoulder surgery and likely won't pit h until August 2014...

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    On a relared note those crazy Cubbies sign 36 y/o Korean reliever Lim Chang-Yong a sidearm Rh with 296 saves in Asian leagues over 18 yrs. He just had shoulder surgery and likely won't pit h until August 2014...this is either really stupid or brilliantly shrewd on Epstein's part.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Dickey for D'Arnaud and Gose as principals. Other players likely prospects may be involved in the final deal. Jays prefer to send Arencibia over D'Arnaud. Mets also want a catcher which is why prospects are being talked. Two sources I read say the principal part isa done deal though.
    Good deal for both teams. The Mets really need to add some position players to build with. Right now they have Wright and Ike Davis and that's about it. They need to get some luck and a good first half from Johan Santana so they can deal him for a couple more.

    Dickey should help the Jays. I think they'll rank as the favorite in the AL East now.
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    Hmmm.

    So the Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Angels are in overpaying mode, and trying to win it all.

    I'm a Dickey fan. But the fact that his lone start against the Reds last year resulted in him getting beat up by our offense didn't help things. Along with the fact I didn't realize he was 39 years old until Brutus pointed it out.

    Dude will probably pitch 'til he's 45 or so. Good luck to him.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    So the Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Angels are in overpaying mode, and trying to win it all.
    I don't agree that the Jays are in overpay mode. I think this Dickey trade is very similar to the Latos deal the Reds made last year. The Jays are trading from redundancies to land a TOR starter.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    I don't agree that the Jays are in overpay mode. I think this Dickey trade is very similar to the Latos deal the Reds made last year. The Jays are trading from redundancies to land a TOR starter.
    That's one of the benefits of being based in Toronto-- any starter they acquire instantly becomes a TOR starter

    In all seriousness, though, I agree that the deal makes sense for the Jays. Dickey has been consistently good since he started throwing the knuckler, and if the deal really does come with an extension on the order of 2/26, it seems pretty cost-effective.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    I don't agree that the Jays are in overpay mode. I think this Dickey trade is very similar to the Latos deal the Reds made last year. The Jays are trading from redundancies to land a TOR starter.
    I agree in principle, though Dickey's age and lack of any sort of consistent track record makes this extremely risky. I'll be very surprised if he comes close to replicating his 2012 performance, personally.
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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I agree in principle, though Dickey's age and lack of any sort of consistent track record makes this extremely risky. I'll be very surprised if he comes close to replicating his 2012 performance, personally.
    The strikeout increase really jumps out at you, but 2010-2011 he posted a 3.08 ERA, so it isn't like there isn't some consistency there, or even a far jump in "his production".

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I agree in principle, though Dickey's age and lack of any sort of consistent track record makes this extremely risky. I'll be very surprised if he comes close to replicating his 2012 performance, personally.
    I agree with doug's point below that Dickey does have a pretty well-established track record since he started throwing a knuckle ball. He has had an ERA of 3.28 or less for the last three years, and as doug said below, FIP isn't as useful for knuckleballers.

    Either way, Dickey is definitely an upgrade to the Jays rotation and I think this was a risk worth taking considering the Yankees and Red Sox certainly seem beatable at this time.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Hmmm.

    So the Blue Jays, Dodgers, and Angels are in overpaying mode, and trying to win it all.
    Don't forget the Royals!
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    RA Dickey doesn't strike fear to me.
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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    I believe as part of the deal they will sign Dickey to a two year extension for about $26M (what he was willing to sign with the Mets for), so they would have him for 3 years at about $10M per season.

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    Re: Dickey to Jays almost done

    Great financial deal for the Jays, but the cost in prospects is high. I like Gose (if he can fix his K and contact issues) as a leadoff hitter, especially. I also really like D'Arnaud. This, IMO, makes the Mets much better as early as this year.

    A middle of the order including Davis Wright, Ike Davis, and D'Arnaud with Gose and Daniel Murphy is solid, if not spectacular. Add a couple corner OF bats (Duda and Baxter scare no one), and you've got a solid little lineup in front of a middling pitching rotation and a bad bullpen.
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