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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    I'm a Lamarre fan. Excellent athlete with a pretty high ceiling, IMO.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Haven't we seen this movie before?
    - Super athletic college CF
    - Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
    - Speed is his best tool
    - Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
    - Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
    - Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

    Code:
    Stubbs
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
    2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
    2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
    2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
    Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121
    
    LaMarre
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
    2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
    2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
    Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104
    LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Haven't we seen this movie before?
    - Super athletic college CF
    - Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
    - Speed is his best tool
    - Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
    - Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
    - Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

    Code:
    Stubbs
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
    2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
    2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
    2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
    Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121
    
    LaMarre
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
    2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
    2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
    Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104
    LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.
    I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

    People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

    Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.

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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    I'd be thrilled if Lamarre turned into another Drew Stubbs.

    People forget how good Stubbs was his first couple of years in Cincinnati. If Lamarre turns into 2009-2010 Stubbs, he is would be an upper echelon MLB starter. If he turns into 2011 Stubbs, he would be a slightly above average starter. Even if he turns into 2012 Stubbs, he'd still be a decent 4th/5th OF.

    Having your #20 prospect turn into Drew Stubbs is something to rejoice over, not to something to bemoan.
    When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.

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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    When Stubbs was useful, he had a .100 point advantage over Lamarre in isoP. Lamarre could be very good, but it's all hinging on whether or not he can add quite a bit of power without ballooning his K rate IMO. With the skills he's got now, I can't see him being anything other than wholly underwhelming on the offensive side.
    As RedsManRick pointed out, Lamarre's contact skills are better than Stubbs. If Lamarre can offset Stubbs advantage in IsoP with a better OBP, he can be plenty useful.

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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Haven't we seen this movie before?
    - Super athletic college CF
    - Puts up mediocre minor league numbers
    - Speed is his best tool
    - Poor contact hitter, but can take a walk
    - Middling power numbers, but people insist the potential is there
    - Numbers buoyed by what is likely an unsustainable high BABIP

    Code:
    Stubbs
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2006	21	R		252	.252	.368	.400	13%	25%	.148	.333	19
    2007	22	A		575	.270	.364	.421	12%	25%	.151	.354	23
    2008	23	A+/AA/AAA	548	.276	.371	.417	12%	22%	.140	.358	33
    2009	24	AAA		472	.268	.353	.360	11%	22%	.092	.350	46
    Total				1847	.269	.364	.401	12%	23%	.132	.351   121
    
    LaMarre
    Year	Age	Level		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	BB	K	ISO	BABIP	SB
    2010	21	A/A+		292	.276	.361	.397	8%	20%	.122	.333	19
    2011	22	A+/AA		522	.276	.348	.368	9%	19%	.091	.336	55
    2012	23	AA		558	.263	.356	.353	11%	21%	.089	.339	30
    Total				1372	.271	.354	.368	9%	20%	.097	.337   104
    LaMarre makes a bit more contact, but walks less and hits for less power. Looks like a future 4th/5th OF to me.
    Nice work. Completely agree. However, I think if Stubbs was used as a 4th outfield, back up CF, he would excell. I'm hoping the same for LaMarre. Having a #2 draft pick turn into a solid role player is a very good thing.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.

    Imagine that OF defensively. Imagine the HAVOK(!) it would cause on the basepaths to have two 50+ SB guys at the top of the order.

    Having said that, I don't know if LaMarre is even capable of providing that power. He was supposed to have above average pop coming out of Michigan, but looks like a weak stick in person and just as bad over the course of the year statistically.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    I'll be happy with LaMarre if he becomes a fourth OF/ spot starter in CF. I suspect he'll add some power in Louisville (should he end up there) because it's a much better offensive park than Pennsacola. Should he go .270/.350/.425, he'd be a mighty fine LFer to pair with Hamilton, though.
    You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.

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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    You are severely mistaken in saying Louisville is more offensive than Pensacola. Pensacola, at least last year, was insanely hitter friendly. Louisville leans toward being pitcher friendly.
    Really???

    I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Really???

    I thought Pennsacola was seriously pitcher-friendly.
    I did this back in October.... but Pensacola boosted power at incredible levels.

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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.
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    Re: Why Ryan Lamarre will succeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I hope he makes the majors so when the Reds play San Diego, and Chase Headley flies out to him, I can write on my scorecard... Headley-Lamarre.
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