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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    No love for Juan Castro?
    Manos de Oro and all that, though.

    Seriously. There is still a segment of Reds fans that actually think he was great shortstop that was being blocked by an aging Larkin.

    I actually had a customer tell me that just last week. I let out a hearty guffaw.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Jimmy Haynes
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    Adam Rosales
    Paul Janish
    Chad Mottola
    Alex Trevino
    Dan Billardello
    Dave Van Gorder
    Dennis Menke
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Manos de Oro and all that, though.
    Thing is, he did have great hands. And that was Juan's lone skill. But there are players who really couldn't do anything on a ball field.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Jimmy Haynes
    Osvaldo Fernandez
    Josh Fogg
    Adam Rosales
    Paul Janish
    Chad Mottola
    Alex Trevino
    Dan Billardello
    Dave Van Gorder
    Dennis Menke
    Denis Menke? Seriously? Given the OP's criterion, how do you consider that Menke had no place on a major league roster during his career? We're not talking a superstar, but he wasn't a lousy player. Heck, he was a 2 time All Star.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    haha one year he put up an OPS+ of 3. Wow that's bad.
    I'm thinking Paul Householder should be the case study in not falling in love with a player because of his minor league stats. He actually looked like a real prospect coming up. It just never translated.

    If we're going back to the early '80s, I nominate Geoff Jones.

    From this last year's team, though, Mike Costanzo looked so overmatched it wasn't even funny.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    The remarkable thing is that all these horrible players were the huge talents in their towns and made it to the majors and we didn't.

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    I'd have to toss Gookie Dawkins up there. Horrific at the plate. And as a defender....*sigh*.

    He had speed....so I guess he wasn't a complete failure. LOL.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Gary Redus- hit .462 for Billings his first year in the system.

    Duane Walker- took Nolan Ryan deep twice in the same game his rookie year with the Reds.

    Kal Daniels- one of the very best pure hitters the Reds have had in my time.

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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Gary Redus- hit .462 for Billings his first year in the system.

    Duane Walker- took Nolan Ryan deep twice in the same game his rookie year with the Reds.

    Kal Daniels- one of the very best pure hitters the Reds have had in my time.
    Okay....how does that make any of them bad players? I didn't see Walker much, but Kal and Gary were fine players IMO.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Denis Menke? Seriously? Given the OP's criterion, how do you consider that Menke had no place on a major league roster during his career? We're not talking a superstar, but he wasn't a lousy player. Heck, he was a 2 time All Star.
    I'm 47 years old. I don't remember anything much before about '72 or '73. What he did with Houston was before my time.

    What he did with the Reds didn't impress me. He was a backup. I don't remember him being much of a hitting threat. But hey.........I was young.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Okay....how does that make any of them bad players? I didn't see Walker much, but Kal and Gary were fine players IMO.
    ok, not bad players, but did not fulfill their potential.

    Sorry, I misread the OP!

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    Coco Cordero... Sorry guys, I cringed everytime Dusty handed him the ball. I know his numbers show one thing, but my eyes saw something totally opposite.

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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    What he did with the Reds didn't impress me. He was a backup. I don't remember him being much of a hitting threat. But hey.........I was young.
    Menke was a starter and a pretty good player.
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    Re: Ode to the bad player

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Gary Redus- hit .462 for Billings his first year in the system.

    Duane Walker- took Nolan Ryan deep twice in the same game his rookie year with the Reds.

    Kal Daniels- one of the very best pure hitters the Reds have had in my time.
    Redus had a fine career as a part time player with the Pirates and Phillies. Daniels put up better numbers at the same age than Barry Bonds. He also had an ok career with the Dodgers. I wouldn't include either on the list.

    Duane Walker was my favorite as a kid for some reason, but yeah, he belongs here.
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