I don't like this topic!!
I don't like this topic!!
I can spell,I just can't type!!
I wonder what your mothers are thinking of you guys.
May the Lord bless
I've been to dinner at Jimmy Buffet's house, and I've eaten it at a homeless shelter. And there's great joy and harrowing terror to be found in both places.
He's probably correctly identified the "sweetspot" at 10 yrs/$150M.
Last edited by jojo; 12-20-2012 at 07:27 AM.
"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
"Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Profir and Texas' top 3 pitching prospects. Texas is one team that could pay Joey. Reds could extend Choo put Ludwick at first Hamilton in CF. Pitching should be covered as it would mean several future replacements. Cozart moves to backup and could be dealt for a piece at mid season. The Reds could sign a stop gap for CF entering season. I would NOT trade Joey just because as others stated he means more than just stats to the Reds. But there are scenarios where he could be dealt that would still make the Reds decided favorites - maybe even more so.
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
What it would take:
Votto's power not coming back and continued deterioration of his knees and someone willing to take on the salary.
If Votto remains pre-injury Votto he should remain a Red.
I think this thread belongs in the non-baseball "Fantasy Island."
Can't win with 'em
Can't win without 'em
First would you trade Votto at first for an equal offensive version that could play third as a slightly plus defender (i.e. he's a +5 UZR/150 firstbaseman so assume a +5 UZR/150 thirdbaseman)? I think you would without pausing to let the offering GM reconsider.
Second would you trade Votto for a thirdbaseman that has a less impactful bat (Votto's bat would be estimated to be 2 WAR/600 PAs better based upon comparing Votto and Longoria's career wOBAs) but significantly more valuable glove (UZR/150 and accounting for position suggests Longoria is 2 WAR/150g more valuable defensively) plus $100M? I think this isn't as clear cut as first impressions may suggest. It's safest to trust the offensive estimates of player worth but even if the defensive estimates are off by 30% (though both have over 5000 defensive innings at their positions suggesting UZR has enough data) the $100M mitigates alot of risk and buys alot of additional WAR.
Last edited by jojo; 12-20-2012 at 02:30 PM.
I hate the offseason. *sigh*
"I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search
An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldnít do. ďI canít skate or play hockey,Ē Votto said. ďWell, I can skate ... but I canít stop.Ē