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    up to 5 years and 70M. It's hard not to like Swish; and now that he's out of NY it's even easier.

    He'll obviously take Choo's spot. Brantley, Stubbs and Swisher looks like the 2012 Indians OF.
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    I'm glad for Nick. I grew up with him and he is a great guy. Ohio born and West Virginia raised, Cleveland is a good home for him geographically. I wish him the best of luck except for when he plays the Reds.

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    The Indians overpaid and then some for him IMO. I like Swish, but he's 32 and his numbers are likely in for a decline. And his numbers aren't all that great on average to begin with. He's a good player, but nothing more. This coming from an Ohio State fan. $14 million/year for 4 years (maybe 5) is a lot of money for Swisher at his age.

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    Man, I know Cleveland disperately wanted a bat for the OF, but I think they're going to regret this deal. Potential albotross.

    Every time one of these deals get signed, Votto and Phillips become a better bargain.
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    Isn't that where he started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone View Post
    Isn't that where he started?
    Nope, that would be Oakland.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    I know Choo is in the last year of his contract, but spending this money would have made more sense if they kept Choo, esp. when his replacement is Stubbs. Perhaps they coveted the arm in the deal enough, but it seems like so much tail chasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I know Choo is in the last year of his contract, but spending this money would have made more sense if they kept Choo, esp. when his replacement is Stubbs. Perhaps they coveted the arm in the deal enough, but it seems like so much tail chasing.
    Well, I guess from the Tribe's point of view, they flipped Choo for 3 good prospects, and then signed Swisher for less money than it would've taken to sign Choo, so they kind of "net" 3 prospects after the dust settles.
    Kind of makes sense from their POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Well, I guess from the Tribe's point of view, they flipped Choo for 3 good prospects, and then signed Swisher for less money than it would've taken to sign Choo, so they kind of "net" 3 prospects after the dust settles.
    Kind of makes sense from their POV.
    I would think that a team in their current life cycle should be trying to improve the major league product. Perhaps if the pitching prospect turns out to be TOR they got better, but I see wheel spinning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I would think that a team in their current life cycle should be trying to improve the major league product. Perhaps if the pitching prospect turns out to be TOR they got better, but I see wheel spinning.
    True, I see the Indians in rebuild mode though.
    They are supposedly shopping Caberra, Masterson, and Perez too.
    Last year was a colossal disappointment, so I can see more player movement.
    I think they are going to get worse before they get better.
    So I guess I feel Swisher is at least throwing the fans a bone and filling the void by the Choo trade.
    But yea, I agree.. doubt any dividends will be seen in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone View Post
    Isn't that where he started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    True, I see the Indians in rebuild mode though.
    They are supposedly shopping Caberra, Masterson, and Perez too.
    Last year was a colossal disappointment, so I can see more player movement.
    I think they are going to get worse before they get better.
    So I guess I feel Swisher is at least throwing the fans a bone and filling the void by the Choo trade.
    But yea, I agree.. doubt any dividends will be seen in 2013.
    That is why the Swisher deal makes no sense to me. But then I think they showed what they thought of Choo since they gave his money to someone else who is likely to not produce at the level Choo would for similar dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    That is why the Swisher deal makes no sense to me. But then I think they showed what they thought of Choo since they gave his money to someone else who is likely to not produce at the level Choo would for similar dollars.
    The Indians have enough talent to rebuild while being presentable. I guess I don't see a complete need to totally go with rookies while rebuilding. Also, isn't there a new rule that says if you spend below a certain threshold, you lose revenue sharing (not sure when that rule takes place).

    I'm guessing they hope they will be relevant before Swisher's deal expires.

    I think if Choo was willing to sign for Swisher money, they would've extended him. Isn't the rumor that Choo wants 20 million/year or something outrageous like that.. Or perhaps Choo was going to test the market no matter what the Indians offered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    The Indians have enough talent to rebuild while being presentable. I guess I don't see a complete need to totally go with rookies while rebuilding. Also, isn't there a new rule that says if you spend below a certain threshold, you lose revenue sharing (not sure when that rule takes place).

    I'm guessing they hope they will be relevant before Swisher's deal expires.

    I think if Choo was willing to sign for Swisher money, they would've extended him. Isn't the rumor that Choo wants 20 million/year or something outrageous like that.. Or perhaps Choo was going to test the market no matter what the Indians offered.
    I think they currently look like the pre-Castellini Reds. No direction, no plan, just try to field a respectable team, hang in for the first half, then do the second half fade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I think they currently look like the pre-Castellini Reds. No direction, no plan, just try to field a respectable team, hang in for the first half, then do the second half fade.
    Yea, I don't disagree with you on that.

    Like the pre-Cast Reds, plenty of rumors and roster churning to keep the fans interested, but no real progress being made.
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