Turn Off Ads?

View Poll Results: Who is the Reds' #9 prospect for 2013?

Voters
68. You may not vote on this poll
  • Tucker Barnhart

    1 1.47%
  • Drew Cisco

    2 2.94%
  • Jeff Fellhauer

    0 0%
  • Amir Garrett

    0 0%
  • Jeff Gelalich

    1 1.47%
  • Ryan LaMarre

    2 2.94%
  • Dan Langfield

    3 4.41%
  • Kyle Lotzkar

    3 4.41%
  • Donald Lutz

    10 14.71%
  • Seth Mejias-Brean

    3 4.41%
  • Jonathan Moscot

    0 0%
  • Tanner Rahier

    6 8.82%
  • Yorman Rodriguez

    22 32.35%
  • Chad Rogers

    0 0%
  • Gabriel Rosa

    0 0%
  • Bryson Smith

    0 0%
  • Neftali Soto

    9 13.24%
  • David Vidal

    0 0%
  • Kyle Waldrop

    5 7.35%
  • Ryan Wright

    1 1.47%
  • Other (Please name)

    0 0%
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 48

Thread: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    ZCTRMTP!!!!! texasdave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,816

    Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    1) Billy Hamilton
    2) Robert Stephenson
    3) Tony Cingrani
    4) Daniel Corcino
    5) Jesse Winker
    6) Nick Travieso
    7) Henry Rodriguez
    8) Ismael Guillon

    Still going with the highest ceiling here. Not very confident Yorman will reach it.
    Last edited by texasdave; 01-01-2013 at 12:57 PM.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

  2. #2
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,592

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Also going with Yorman here. Unmatched tools. Just 20. Needs to figure out how to hone in the strikezone though.

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    4,710

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Also going with Yorman here. Unmatched tools. Just 20. Needs to figure out how to hone in the strikezone though.
    From what I've gathered, Yorman might need to figure out a lot more than that. He might need to figure out how to commit himself to his craft; how to grind out a season; how to work with his coaches; how to play hard; how to be a good teammate; how to play a proper outfield. In spite of his tools, he may have a long, long way to go--longer, perhaps, than even a guy who grew up in Germany. I'm going with Lutz.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Posts
    4,250

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by mace View Post
    From what I've gathered, Yorman might need to figure out a lot more than that. He might need to figure out how to commit himself to his craft; how to grind out a season; how to work with his coaches; how to play hard; how to be a good teammate; how to play a proper outfield. In spite of his tools, he may have a long, long way to go
    Agreed.

    He is a poor man's Wily Mo Pena. All the athletic gifts in the world and very few actual baseball skills. Honestly, I would be surprised if he comes anywhere near matching Wily Mo's career. At least Wily Mo provided value as a trading chip for Bronson Arroyo.

  5. #5
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,592

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by mace View Post
    From what I've gathered, Yorman might need to figure out a lot more than that. He might need to figure out how to commit himself to his craft; how to grind out a season; how to work with his coaches; how to play hard; how to be a good teammate; how to play a proper outfield. In spite of his tools, he may have a long, long way to go--longer, perhaps, than even a guy who grew up in Germany. I'm going with Lutz.
    Your information sounds like it was from 2010 rather than 2012.

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    4,710

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Your information sounds like it was from 2010 rather than 2012.
    I did read that Yorman had improved his attitude this year, and if he has gotten on track in those areas it's indeed a very good sign. But his turnaround has been reported in softer terms than his original attitude issues. I guess I need to be a little more convinced that he has acquired the makeup to succeed.

  7. #7
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,093

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Also going with Yorman here. Unmatched tools. Just 20. Needs to figure out how to hone in the strikezone though.
    BP did an informal survey a while back (think it was Kevin Goldstein) which basically tried to find a guy who had a ton of tools but who was just really raw and who then turned in to a very good player. To many people's surprise, they couldn't find anybody.

    Anyways, I prefer somebody who's shown more tools, even at 20. He not only has strikezone issues but contact issues. There's a long history of guys who could run, throw and hit for power but never turned into very good baseball players.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  8. #8
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,592

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    BP did an informal survey a while back (think it was Kevin Goldstein) which basically tried to find a guy who had a ton of tools but who was just really raw and who then turned in to a very good player. To many people's surprise, they couldn't find anybody.

    Anyways, I prefer somebody who's shown more tools, even at 20. He not only has strikezone issues but contact issues. There's a long history of guys who could run, throw and hit for power but never turned into very good baseball players.
    At some point, everyone is raw. One problem with guys like Yorman is that because of their ability to sign at such a young age, they aren't really put on the same plan as others. Most guys his age were drafted just last year. How would his "rawness" look if he was in the Arizona League last year and Billings this past season? It is a tough thing and I often wonder if the aggressive promotion of guys like him, who have tools but not always the best eye at the plate, isn't extremely detrimental to them.

    As for the "raw" to something category, the first two guys who jumped to mind were Sammy Sosa and Randy Johnson. More recently: Jose Bautista (I know, clearly different problems than Yorman has, but he went from a guy who had some tools he couldn't use to one of the best hitters in the league).
    Last edited by dougdirt; 01-01-2013 at 06:12 PM.

  9. #9
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,093

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    At some point, everyone is raw. One problem with guys like Yorman is that because of their ability to sign at such a young age, they aren't really put on the same plan as others. Most guys his age were drafted just last year. How would his "rawness" look if he was in the Arizona League last year and Billings this past season? It is a tough thing and I often wonder if the aggressive promotion of guys like him, who have tools but not always the best eye at the plate, isn't extremely detrimental to them.

    As for the "raw" to something category, the first two guys who jumped to mind were Sammy Sosa and Randy Johnson. More recently: Jose Bautista (I know, clearly different problems than Yorman has, but he went from a guy who had some tools he couldn't use to one of the best hitters in the league).
    Notably, if he were to follow their path, Rodriguez is 7 or 8 years and an organization or two off from the breakthrough those guys had.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  10. #10
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    11,015

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    I'm going with Lutz.

    I think the most important tool is the hit tool, and he has the best of the remaining prospects. I'm basically anti-Bowden on prospects, lol.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  11. #11
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,592

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    I'm going with Lutz.

    I think the most important tool is the hit tool, and he has the best of the remaining prospects. I'm basically anti-Bowden on prospects, lol.
    Lutz just hit .269 this year in two hitter friendly parks. In terms of pure hit tool, he probably isn't close to having the best one left. Best pure power left? Maybe. Soto could claim that one.

    I don't know, just a bit early for Lutz for me. I don't know that he is a left fielder and if he isn't, he is a first baseman. As a first baseman, his bat doesn't really do much for me.

  12. #12
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    11,015

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Lutz just hit .269 this year in two hitter friendly parks. In terms of pure hit tool, he probably isn't close to having the best one left. Best pure power left? Maybe. Soto could claim that one.

    I don't know, just a bit early for Lutz for me. I don't know that he is a left fielder and if he isn't, he is a first baseman. As a first baseman, his bat doesn't really do much for me.
    You're right. I meant best overall hitter. And to be honest, he might not even the best at that, he's just the best of the ones I know. Curiously, who would you have ahead of Lutz as a hitter?

    I just think that when it comes to predicting who will be productive in the majors, those that can hit stick longer than those that have those other tools. That's why I hate the term five tool. Most of the guys aren't true five tools players, they are three or four tool players who need to learn how to hit. And if they don't learn how to hit, they are rather useless as a major leaguer.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

  13. #13
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    35,592

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    You're right. I meant best overall hitter. And to be honest, he might not even the best at that, he's just the best of the ones I know. Curiously, who would you have ahead of Lutz as a hitter?

    I just think that when it comes to predicting who will be productive in the majors, those that can hit stick longer than those that have those other tools. That's why I hate the term five tool. Most of the guys aren't true five tools players, they are three or four tool players who need to learn how to hit. And if they don't learn how to hit, they are rather useless as a major leaguer.
    Lutz isn't on my list until the 20's. I can't simply look at things in terms of pure hitting because Lutz is going to have to hit a whole lot more than nearly everyone else because he is limited to the two easiest positions on the field to play and he may not even stick at one of them.

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    4,577

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    Still going Waldrop though I thought about going with Yorman just because Waldrop has no chance yet here. I've got both ahead of Lutz or Soto.

  15. #15
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,877

    Re: Who is Redszone's #9 prospect? 2013

    We've already crossed the line from Prospects to Suspects IMO. Going with Yorman based on tools. A couple of years ago, all these guys would be in the 20s or higher.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25