"Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard
I, for one, am just not a big fan of 'guilty until proven innocent'. If you failed a test like Rafael Palmiero, that's a big strike against you. Otherwise, just vote based on what is known.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
From a friend... less votes than Lee Smith
Someone voted for Aaron Sele.
Others receiving votes: Bernie Williams, 19; Kenny Lofton, 18; Sandy Alomar Jr., 16; Julio Franco, 6; David Wells, 5; Steve Finley, 4; Shawn Green, 2; Aaron Sele, 1.Code:Player Votes Pct Craig Biggio 388 68.2 Jack Morris 385 67.7 Jeff Bagwell 339 59.6 Mike Piazza 329 57.8 Tim Raines 297 52.2 Lee Smith 272 47.8 Curt Schilling 221 38.8 Roger Clemens 214 37.6 Barry Bonds 206 36.2 Edgar Martinez 204 35.9 Alan Trammell 191 33.6 Larry Walker 123 21.6 Fred McGriff 118 20.7 Dale Murphy 106 18.6 Mark McGwire 96 16.9 Don Mattingly 75 13.2 Sammy Sosa 71 12.5 Rafael Palmeiro 50 8.8
No votes: Jeff Cirillo
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WOY, you know I love ya man, but you are so off here it's sad.
I always thought that one purpose behind being a historian was to learn from the past, not use the past to excuse future mistakes.
That's great that Chainsaw Mathis cheated a hundred years ago.
The gentlemen we are talking about used drugs a century advanced to get what I think we could argue were some pretty darn good results.
And they didnt tell anybody. If it's okay for them to do it because Night Train Wilkins injected monkey snot into his buttocks in 1871, then they should have come out and said that.
But they didn't. So for me, the hall vote today is a little justice. If you're going to go do something in the dark of night and then argue that the powers that be really didn't know what happened so we have to let you in...I mean, come on.
And for the rest of the board who wishes to bring up Gaylord Perry and Ty Cobb and amphetamines here's what I tell you:
This is today. We don't have to let someone into the hall today just because there are other people in there you don't like.
Gaylord Perry is not an excuse to do steroids.
You either affect the outcome chemically inside your body or chemically outside it. Doesn't matter to me, as both cheated.
The cop out i hate is when a player says a substance was not banned, even if having it was illegal. That is the height of hypocrisy.
In the 70's you couldn't throw a ball in a MLB locker room without hitting a player on greenies. And for all those guys clamoring for Rose to be in there, remember, amphetamines are illegal. And he took a lot of them.
Suck it up cupcake.
I think there is a big difference between cheating by throwing spitballs (or stealing signs) and cheating by using steroids. Or gambling on baseball.
I'm happy that guys like Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Piazza, Clemens and Rose are not in the HOF. I didn't particularly like them when they were playing and baseball is more enjoyable to me without them.
But it's a personal preference and if someone wants to vote for them or support them, that is their priviledge and OK by me.
And now everybody hates him. There's something really wrong with that.
Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong
I'm witchcrafting everybody.