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    Reactions should be worse in this case, since it means the football team is bad.

    This is a really good team. Fumble recoveries are random.

    Gio only touched the ball 9 times today. Can you imagine when he starts getting 20-25 touches?
    I think it's wise to ease him into his role to try to keep him fresh the entire season. As a Carolina fan, Gio was a bit fragile during his time in Chapel Hill, missing his entire freshman year with a knee and a couple games each of the two years that he played. I'd continue to be cautious with him.
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    It's too early to tell what Andy Dalton's ceiling is yet. He has the skills to be a top 10 QB. It's his third year. Look at Drew Brees and Tom Brady in year 3, you can't say they were appreciably better than Dalton at that point in their progression (Brees was probably worse.)
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    Let's not go that far. Andy Dalton is still Andy Dalton. The Bengals have playmakers on offense and defense, but this is a quarterback league and they don't have a top 10 quarterback.
    Dalton certainly isn't an elite QB, but I'd barely be able to come up with 10 guys in this league I'd rather have, and only about a half a dozen that I'd list without hesitation.

    While it's a QB league, if you look at teams that have won championships, a lot of them have been won by guys who aren't flashy but just get the job done. Defense and offensive lines, first and foremost, win titles. There are a lot of guys like Dilfer, Flacco, Roethlisberger, etc. that have won championships.
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    It's too early to tell what Andy Dalton's ceiling is yet. He has the skills to be a top 10 QB. It's his third year. Look at Drew Brees and Tom Brady in year 3, you can't say they were appreciably better than Dalton at that point in their progression (Brees was probably worse.)
    I know that Brady had a much stronger arm. That is my real concern with Dalton. He has an average at best arm. We have AJ Green. A quarterback who can't throw the ball 40+ yards down field kind of wastes some of Green's ability.

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    I can think of 14 QB's I'd rather have.
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    I don't think Dalton is nearly as bad as people make him out to be. For a 3rd year QB who has never leveled off or gotten worse, I really don't get it. He's not a top tier QB or even close, but how about we wait and watch him continue to improve? I love the way he competes, and I loved seeing him get on his guys for a missed blocking assignment today. That fire isn't something that isn't taught.

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    I can think of 14 QB's I'd rather have.
    I can only get to 10. Brady, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Schaub, Manning, Rivers, Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees.

    Who else do you have above Dalton?
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    I can only get to 10. Brady, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Schaub, Manning, Rivers, Eli, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees.

    Who else do you have above Dalton?
    Kaepernick. Wilson. A healthy RGIII. Those were off of the top of my head.

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    Brees Rogers Ben Ryan Newton RG3, Romo, Peyton, Rivers, Schaub Luck Brady Vick

    And Im forgetting one or two...
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    I know that Brady had a much stronger arm. That is my real concern with Dalton. He has an average at best arm. We have AJ Green. A quarterback who can't throw the ball 40+ yards down field kind of wastes some of Green's ability.
    40+ yard pass plays are not that important.

    Since 2011 Brady is 1/13 in 41+ yard attempts. In that same span Dalton is 5/15 with 3tds and 2ints.

    No idea what the league average is but I assume it's low.

    His arm is plenty big enough for AJ imo.

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    I'm not a scout, so I just look at stats, and Dalton measures up in his first 2+ years to just about anybody. Other people can worry about his arm strength, I have no idea.

    Just like with baseball I prefer to look at results, because I'm not an expert.
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    Kaepernick. Wilson. A healthy RGIII. Those were off of the top of my head.
    Eh, I think all these are debatable. Long-term, I'd take Dalton over the three above.
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    Eli is extremely overrated. Only a career 1.4 TD:INT ratio in his career. 58.4% completion percentage.

    Dalton is 1.6 and 60.6%.

    For me, the list goes:

    Brady, Ryan, Brees, Rogers, Manning and Rivers

    As well as probably Stafford, Luck, Wilson and Griffin.

    After that, there's really no one else I'd take over Dalton. Definitely not Flacco or Roethlisberger. Flacco is a mediocre QB that just got hot last year in the postseason. Roethlisberger's better days are behind him.
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    40+ yard pass plays are not that important.

    Since 2011 Brady is 1/13 in 41+ yard attempts. In that same span Dalton is 5/15 with 3tds and 2ints.

    No idea what the league average is but I assume it's low.

    His arm is plenty big enough for AJ imo.
    Brady doesn't have one of the two best deep threats in football either. Brady has a bunch of slot receivers.

    Dalton consistently underthrows to AJ deep and AJ has to slow down to let the ball get to him.

    I am sure the league average isn't good on 40+ yard throws. I just know what I see and I see a guy who struggles to throw the ball far enough to let one of the best two deep threats in the game run under the ball.


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