Turn Off Ads?
Page 59 of 68 FirstFirst ... 949555657585960616263 ... LastLast
Results 871 to 885 of 1012

Thread: 2013 Bengals Discussion

  1. #871
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    34,878

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Let me make a baseball analogy. Andy Dalton is Mike Leake. Mike Leake can win you ballgames and he can be pretty good at times. But I want more and he isn't the guy I want starting for me in game 7 of the World Series. You could certainly do worse, but I want someone else out there if I could choose.

  2. Likes:

    Benihana (09-22-2013), Dom Heffner (09-22-2013), WVRed (09-22-2013)

  3. Turn Off Ads?
  4. #872
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    1,827

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Brady doesn't have one of the two best deep threats in football either. Brady has a bunch of slot receivers.

    Dalton consistently underthrows to AJ deep and AJ has to slow down to let the ball get to him.

    I am sure the league average isn't good on 40+ yard throws. I just know what I see and I see a guy who struggles to throw the ball far enough to let one of the best two deep threats in the game run under the ball.
    Oh I'm not saying Dalton has a better deep ball. The arm strength isn't as big of a problem as his accuracy on deep balls if you ask me. He can get em out there but they're often over or underthrown.

    I was just pointing out Brady because he's been wildly successful without attacking wayyyy down the field. Intermediate passing is where the best QBs in the league make their money.

  5. #873
    Kmac5 KoryMac5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Waterloo, NY
    Posts
    3,681

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Brees Rogers Ben Ryan Newton RG3, Romo, Peyton, Rivers, Schaub Luck Brady Vick

    And Im forgetting one or two...
    Really you would take Schaub, Rivers, Ben, and Vick over Dalton. Rivers fell off the edge a long time ago. As for Schaub there is a reason the Texans remain a running team. Ben is being exposed by his lack of talent, and Vick is still turnover prone.

    Dalton isn't pretty but he's smart and effective. Those guys don't break the bank either.
    If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

  6. #874
    On the brink wolfboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    is everything
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Really you would take Schaub, Rivers, Ben, and Vick over Dalton. Rivers fell off the edge a long time ago. As for Schaub there is a reason the Texans remain a running team. Ben is being exposed by his lack of talent, and Vick is still turnover prone.

    Dalton isn't pretty but he's smart and effective. Those guys don't break the bank either.
    And he has room to be more effective. I mentioned a while back in this thread, but he was a guy that went exclusively out of the spread in college. That's not an insignificant transition, and there were many scouts that believed he wouldn't be able to make the transition. He won't magically grow a stronger arm, but his decision making could get much better.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

  7. Likes:

    Revering4Blue (09-23-2013)

  8. #875
    On the brink wolfboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    is everything
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Really you would take Schaub, Rivers, Ben, and Vick over Dalton. Rivers fell off the edge a long time ago. As for Schaub there is a reason the Texans remain a running team. Ben is being exposed by his lack of talent, and Vick is still turnover prone.

    Dalton isn't pretty but he's smart and effective. Those guys don't break the bank either.
    I'd take some of those guys in their prime (not Schaub), but I wouldn't take any of them today.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

  9. #876
    Who wants a mustache ride Ohayou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Dayton, OH
    Posts
    886

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Really you would take Schaub, Rivers, Ben, and Vick over Dalton. Rivers fell off the edge a long time ago. As for Schaub there is a reason the Texans remain a running team. Ben is being exposed by his lack of talent, and Vick is still turnover prone.

    Dalton isn't pretty but he's smart and effective. Those guys don't break the bank either.
    Rivers threw for 4600+ yards only 2 years ago, succeeding 3 back-to-back-to-back MVP type seasons, and he's actually playing really well ATM. Fell off the edge? C'mon.

    I can agree with the other three, though.
    Choo got it, dude.

  10. #877
    Kmac5 KoryMac5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Waterloo, NY
    Posts
    3,681

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ohayou View Post
    Rivers threw for 4600+ yards only 2 years ago, succeeding 3 back-to-back-to-back MVP type seasons, and he's actually playing really well ATM. Fell off the edge? C'mon.

    I can agree with the other three, though.
    If you think Andy's arm strength is bad look at film of Rivers. McCoy has done a great job of focusing on short quick hits to mask his deficiencies.
    If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

  11. #878
    Et tu, Brutus? Brutus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Posts
    10,477

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Let me make a baseball analogy. Andy Dalton is Mike Leake. Mike Leake can win you ballgames and he can be pretty good at times. But I want more and he isn't the guy I want starting for me in game 7 of the World Series. You could certainly do worse, but I want someone else out there if I could choose.
    How many times do you truly have someone that, given all options, you'd not trade in for anyone else in the entire league? Those types of players are rare.

    Sure, everyone agrees that Andy Dalton isn't the NFL version of Justin Verlander or Clayton Kershaw or what have you, but like Leake, instead of wishing for someone else the Bengals don't have, you should appreciate what it is you do have.

    Dalton has already helped his team get to the playoffs two consecutive years and likely will a third. I don't know why Bengals fans would want to spend time wishing they had someone else instead of just enjoying the wins as they come.
    "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

  12. Likes:

    HeatherC1212 (09-23-2013), KittyDuran (09-22-2013)

  13. #879
    Kmac5 KoryMac5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Waterloo, NY
    Posts
    3,681

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Plus when discussing these guys I think we have to look at contracts as well. I will take a reasonable Dalton over an overpriced Flacco, or Romo any day of the week
    If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

  14. Likes:

    wolfboy (09-22-2013)

  15. #880
    Who wants a mustache ride Ohayou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Dayton, OH
    Posts
    886

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    If you think Andy's arm strength is bad look at film of Rivers. McCoy has done a great job of focusing on short quick hits to mask his deficiencies.
    My name isn't Doug.

    Random thought, I think the Bengals should sign Dalton's former TCU teammate Casey Pachall next year. I think it's pretty clear he's going to go undrafted.
    Choo got it, dude.

  16. #881
    The Boss dougdirt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    34,878

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    How many times do you truly have someone that, given all options, you'd not trade in for anyone else in the entire league? Those types of players are rare.

    Sure, everyone agrees that Andy Dalton isn't the NFL version of Justin Verlander or Clayton Kershaw or what have you, but like Leake, instead of wishing for someone else the Bengals don't have, you should appreciate what it is you do have.

    Dalton has already helped his team get to the playoffs two consecutive years and likely will a third. I don't know why Bengals fans would want to spend time wishing they had someone else instead of just enjoying the wins as they come.
    Even still, in baseball terms, Andy Dalton is a solid #3 starter. Sure, it is possible he turns into Cliff Lee and gets every last ounce of potential out of his tools, but it isn't likely.

    I appreciate Dalton. I lived through the 90's as a Bengals fan. I know how much worse it could be. But I have also seen better from a Bengals quarterback and plenty of better around the league currently IMO. I just don't see him as a quarterback who is leading you to a Super Bowl. I hope I am wrong because I want the Bengals to win, but I just don't see him being that kind of a guy.

  17. #882
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,957

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    It's too early to tell what Andy Dalton's ceiling is yet. He has the skills to be a top 10 QB. It's his third year. Look at Drew Brees and Tom Brady in year 3, you can't say they were appreciably better than Dalton at that point in their progression (Brees was probably worse.)
    Skills to be a top 10 QB??? Huh?

    Haven't seen anything resembling that to this point...
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  18. #883
    On the brink wolfboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    is everything
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Even still, in baseball terms, Andy Dalton is a solid #3 starter. Sure, it is possible he turns into Cliff Lee and gets every last ounce of potential out of his tools, but it isn't likely.

    I appreciate Dalton. I lived through the 90's as a Bengals fan. I know how much worse it could be. But I have also seen better from a Bengals quarterback and plenty of better around the league currently IMO. I just don't see him as a quarterback who is leading you to a Super Bowl. I hope I am wrong because I want the Bengals to win, but I just don't see him being that kind of a guy.
    He doesn't need to carry this team to the Super Bowl; he just needs to make sure he doesn't get in the way.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

  19. #884
    We Need Our Myths reds1869's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Overlooking GABP
    Posts
    4,441

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfboy View Post
    He doesn't need to carry this team to the Super Bowl; he just needs to make sure he doesn't get in the way.
    Exactly my feelings. Solid and steady will get the job done with what is around him.

  20. #885
    A Little to the Left Redsfaithful's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Bexley, OH
    Posts
    7,459

    Re: 2013 Bengals Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Skills to be a top 10 QB??? Huh?

    Haven't seen anything resembling that to this point...
    He does good things every week. If you don't look at some of Dalton's best throws and see any potential than you're probably too married to the idea that Dalton sucks.

    I have Sunday ticket, I see plenty of bad QB play, Andy Dalton is not a bad QB.
    We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
    --Oscar Wilde

  21. Likes:

    remdog (09-22-2013)


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25