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    50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    http://baseballpastandpresent.com/20...e-version-3-0/

    Dave Concepcion slipped outside the top 50 this year with the inclusion of
    Bonds, Clemens and several other cheating-dog 'roiders.

    An interesting, nostalgic read.
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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    How in the world do they rank Tim Raines ahead of Pete Rose? I understand them dropping the 'roid guys down the list a bit, but how is Rose behind Raines?

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    Also, Biggio, Bagwell and Trammel ahead of Pete. What the?
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    Roids or no, Bonds is one of the top 3 players to EVER play, and the Rocket is probably a top 5 pitcher. Not sure how they are 6/8.

    But yea, Rose is probably like, 3rd on this list IMO.

    One other name that stuck out to me was Tiant. He's the one that people have compared Cueto to right? Didn't he also have that twisty delivery?

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    How in the world do they rank Tim Raines ahead of Pete Rose? I understand them dropping the 'roid guys down the list a bit, but how is Rose behind Raines?

    I agree with this. How credible is this website?

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    164 hitters in the HOF

    the Cobra ranks
    50th in At Bats all time
    62nd in Hits all time
    52st in total bases all time
    37th in doubles all time
    53rd in RBI all time
    52nd in Extra base hits all time

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    164 hitters in the HOF

    the Cobra ranks
    50th in At Bats all time
    62nd in Hits all time
    52st in total bases all time
    37th in doubles all time
    53rd in RBI all time
    52nd in Extra base hits all time
    I was looking at this the other day, how Red's fans say Trammell or Jack Morris deserve it but overlook Parker who played here. Baseball References HOF stats:

    Dave Parker
    Black Ink Batting - 26 (72), Average HOFer ≈ 27
    Gray Ink Batting - 145 (99), Average HOFer ≈ 144
    Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 124 (110), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
    Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 42 (146), Average HOFer ≈ 50
    JAWS Right Field (40th), 36.3 career WAR/35.9 7yr-peak WAR/36.1
    Average HOF RF (out of 24) = 69.5 career WAR/41.3 7yr-peak WAR/55.4

    Jack Morris
    Black Ink Pitching - 20 (96), Average HOFer ≈ 40
    Gray Ink Pitching - 197 (44), Average HOFer ≈ 185
    Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 122 (67), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
    Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 39 (77), Average HOFer ≈ 50
    JAWS SP (167th), 39.3 career WAR/30.8 7yr-peak WAR/35.1
    Average HOF P (out of 58) = 67.9 career WAR/47.7 7yr-peak WAR/57.8

    Alan Trammell
    Gray Ink Batting - 48 (522), Average HOFer ≈ 144
    Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 118 (121), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
    Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 40 (160), Average HOFer ≈ 50
    JAWS Shortstop (11th), 67.1 career WAR/43.3 7yr-peak WAR/55.2
    Average HOF SS (out of 21) = 63.1 career WAR/41.0 7yr-peak WAR/52.1

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    I've been saying for years that Parker should be in. He was the best and highest paid player in all baseball.

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    Quote Originally Posted by Roush's socks View Post
    I've been saying for years that Parker should be in. He was the best and highest paid player in all baseball.
    The guy had a hose for an arm too. Will never forget him throwing the ball on a line to the plate without a bounce from right.

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    The hof rewards career longevity over greatness. Parker was a truly dominant player but he missed a couple seasons because of drugs or injury, so he gets left out. I think he should be in.

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    Quote Originally Posted by Roush's socks View Post
    The hof rewards career longevity over greatness. Parker was a truly dominant player but he missed a couple seasons because of drugs or injury, so he gets left out. I think he should be in.
    THIS...it's the hall of good for a long time.
    Similarly, if you were ever an ICON, you should be in---Dale Murphy.

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    Yeah Dale Murphy should be in. While he was playing everyone thought he was a hof'r but wasn't that productive as he got over 30. But he had a long enough run and was probably the most popular player in all baseball for a few years. I know saber-metrics don't really like his hitting stats , but he was also a great fielder.

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    I will bang the drum once more. DAVE CONCEPCION WAS THE BEST SHORTSTOP IN BASEBALL FOR SEVERAL YEARS!!! DAVE CONCEPCION BELONGS IN THE HALL OF FAME! Was that loud enough? I do feel better.
    What if this is as good as it gets?

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    At the time he was playing he was thought of as a hof'r. It was often said that whole infield of bench, rose, Morgan, Perez and concepcion would be in the hof. But Pete screwed up and now concepcion's stats don't look that good. But he played at a time when offense was low, and shortstops didn't hit. I think he should be in if you compare him to a lot of the shortstops on the hof.

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    Re: 50 best players of all-time NOT in the HOF

    Corky Miller got totally snubbed.
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