Last edited by redsof72; 01-22-2013 at 09:03 PM.
Looked it up. Sickels actually wrote that on December 6, 2008, when Stewart had two months of pro experience. So it did not factor in ANY of what Stewart did in 2009.
It is pretty well documented that the Reds offered Alonso in this deal but Toronto insisted on Stewart. If the Reds felt that Alonso was the better prospect (and Toronto did as well), that would be a rather odd way to go about it.
Saying he was the "Reds top prospect" or "one of the Reds top prospects" says nothing about his true value.
If I'm reading right I keep seeing it said he dominated at AAA in 12 IP. Really?
Give me a list of Reds minor league pitchers who have moved through three levels in their first full season of pro ball, put up a 1.28 ERA at Double-A/Triple-A, and did it with power stuff?
Let's be real here, his trade value diminished considerably if he were not thought of as being able to cut it as a starter.
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It's easy to get excited about a prospect like Stewart. He was very successful at a young age in every level he entered. However, an assumption talent evaluators often make is that improvement is inevitable. My opinion was that he was already getting nearly the most out of his talent. I still think his best years are ahead of him as I think it's only his confidence that's holding him back, but I never saw his ceiling as anything more than a solid setup guy. I'm surprised so many teams have passed on him already because I think he could be a reliable reliever right now.
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I am not arguing that Stewart panned out. I am simply making the point that when he was traded, he was viewed as one heck of a prospect by the Reds and they hated to give him up.
OK, 'The Trade' is over and done. It's history. Here's my question: How many of you take a shot at signing Zach (possibly for very cheap $'s and see what Brian Price can do with him. I'd be willing to take a role of the dice there.
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Sickles rated him a weak B-
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/...eds-top-20-proZach Stewart, RHP, Grade B-: Strong arm, command issues, could move fast in the pen. Maybe a C+?
He didn't make Goldstein's top 11.. was under "just missed"
Didn't make Baseball America top 10, or get in any of the best tools list
Was #8 on Baseball Intellect's list, behind Lotzar and Darell Thompson.
Those were the first four ranking lists I could find for 2009.. In other words, it seems like only Redszone was really enamored with him, at least going into the 2009 season. No one rated him that highly. He seemed to be consistently behind at least Lotzar in every list.
I think we have to at least acknowledge the possiblity that maybe the Reds knew he was chaff, promoted him to AAA, and put him in relief to build up some gaudy stats? I said this at the time of the trade.. if the Reds thought so highly of Stewart, why did they promote him to the AAA bullpen. Contrast that to how Cingrani has been groomed, for example.
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