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    Nah, they only build Octagons in Colerain.
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    Re: How Bob Castellini helped The Banks get on track

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    Somewhat tangentially related -- hasta la vista to free nighttime parking in downtown Cincinnati:

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...108/302190090/

    If City Council's plan goes through, meters will run until 9pm and will increase in cost 3% per year (in .25 increments, so roughly a quarter per 4 years or so).
    They did this in Pittsburgh about a year and a half ago, extending metered parking from 6 to 11 pm downtown. It lasted about a month.
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    Re: How Bob Castellini helped The Banks get on track

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    Nah, they only build Octagons in Colerain.
    I don't get the reference, but I was thinking a boxing ring would've been a great nod to the tradition in Cincinnati. Could care less about mma stuff, though it is popular in Cincinnati.

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    Re: How Bob Castellini helped The Banks get on track

    Extending the parking 'till 9pm is a big pain for Reds fans. Meters are only valid for 1-2 hrs so how do you get parked and pay for it through 9pm when first pitch is at 7?

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    Re: How Bob Castellini helped The Banks get on track

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Extending the parking 'till 9pm is a big pain for Reds fans. Meters are only valid for 1-2 hrs so how do you get parked and pay for it through 9pm when first pitch is at 7?
    That is kind of ridiculous. When I go to a game, I get there a good amount of time before first pitch. It's nice to walk around and check out the scene, maybe grab a beer and a snack before sitting down. Figure if I don't even care about watching batting practice, I still try to get to a stadium an hour before gametime.

    One would hope common sense would dictate, but you know what they say about common sense...

    It's almost like they are rooting against people parking and going to games.
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    What I honestly don't get about this whole debate is why the meter times have to change. Why is it a deal breaker to keep them at 5 or 6pm? I haven't heard that addressed yet.

    And is this a 30 or 50 yr lease agreement? At first I heard 30 now I'm hearing 50

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    What I honestly don't get about this whole debate is why the meter times have to change. Why is it a deal breaker to keep them at 5 or 6pm? I haven't heard that addressed yet.
    Every extra hour is more money the meter is making or more opportunities to write citations (1 citation @ $100 is worth several days of meter revenue). Plus, active meters force people to parking garages (where they don't have to worry about re-feeding a meter) who would otherwise be parking on the street.
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    Re: How Bob Castellini helped The Banks get on track

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Every extra hour is more money the meter is making or more opportunities to write citations (1 citation @ $100 is worth several days of meter revenue). Plus, active meters force people to parking garages (where they don't have to worry about re-feeding a meter) who would otherwise be parking on the street.
    I understand the principle but is that extra money really a deal breaker? And if there really is a pot of gold for them then why sell it off? Increase the hours yourself and rake in the money

    My issue with it is that it'll discourage people from coming downtown and isn't that counterproductive? Sure they'll make more in parking fees but less in business generated taxes/money. It's hard enough to get my suburbanite brethren to go downtown. Once people hear about these $100 tickets and how there's no free parking, it'll really be a tough sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I understand the principle but is that extra money really a deal breaker? And if there really is a pot of gold for them then why sell it off? Increase the hours yourself and rake in the money

    My issue with it is that it'll discourage people from coming downtown and isn't that counterproductive? Sure they'll make more in parking fees but less in business generated taxes/money. It's hard enough to get my suburbanite brethren to go downtown. Once people hear about these $100 tickets and how there's no free parking, it'll really be a tough sell.
    The Casino hasn't really hurt Cleveland any on the parking issue, even if it does hack me off that some of my favorite cheap parking decks in downtown Cleveland have become expensive casino parking decks (from $5-$10 a game to $25 a game, but free if you're gambling at the casino.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I understand the principle but is that extra money really a deal breaker? And if there really is a pot of gold for them then why sell it off? Increase the hours yourself and rake in the money

    My issue with it is that it'll discourage people from coming downtown and isn't that counterproductive? Sure they'll make more in parking fees but less in business generated taxes/money. It's hard enough to get my suburbanite brethren to go downtown. Once people hear about these $100 tickets and how there's no free parking, it'll really be a tough sell.
    Just a point of clarification...the city is not proposing to sell the parking system, it is a lease. I really think the number of people who won't come downtown because you have to feed the meters for a few more hours will never come downtown anyway and not the people the city should be focused on. The garages and privately-owned parking lots will not be impacted at all from what I understand.

    Additionally, the cash infusion is going to help balance the budget, develop a 30-story apartment tower and grocer downtown, and jumpstart the MLK interchange, creating jobs and economic development in the neighborhoods around the University and the hospitals. All things that increase the tax base.
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    Just a point of clarification...the city is not proposing to sell the parking system, it is a lease. I really think the number of people who won't come downtown because you have to feed the meters for a few more hours will never come downtown anyway and not the people the city should be focused on. The garages and privately-owned parking lots will not be impacted at all from what I understand.

    Additionally, the cash infusion is going to help balance the budget, develop a 30-story apartment tower and grocer downtown, and jumpstart the MLK interchange, creating jobs and economic development in the neighborhoods around the University and the hospitals. All things that increase the tax base.
    --Yes it is a lease...a 50 yr lease. A long, long time. When you lease something, it's basically yours as long as the lease goes

    --Right now when I go to a Reds game, I park on the street for free. I don't know that I'll have that option anymore if these meters stay on 'till 9pm. This is another tax I'll have to pay

    --I believe Fountain Square is one of the garages that'll be impacted. It's the city garages that currently have cheap parking such as $1 for the first hr or whatever. It's not good for businesses to lose that perk. That's something that was started in order to help downtown businesses. If that was done to help bring folks downtown then it doesn't make sense to now say that "these are not the people the city should be focused on".

    --This really hurts folks who live downtown and will now have to buy garage passes or something in order to park their cars. They've currently enjoyed the free parking after they get off work

    --There's no telling if the MLK interchange or the 4th St project will ever happen because they rely on much more than this money in order to happen.

    --This deal also includes extra "flush money" that the city can witter away and you bet they'll do exactly that. You don't want to give those idiots on city council drunked sailor money

    My point is this: If you want to raise revenue by increasing parking costs, fine. Do it but do it openly. Don't sell it off. If this goes to a vote, it'll go down in flames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    --Yes it is a lease...a 50 yr lease. A long, long time. When you lease something, it's basically yours as long as the lease goes

    --Right now when I go to a Reds game, I park on the street for free. I don't know that I'll have that option anymore if these meters stay on 'till 9pm. This is another tax I'll have to pay

    --I believe Fountain Square is one of the garages that'll be impacted. It's the city garages that currently have cheap parking such as $1 for the first hr or whatever. It's not good for businesses to lose that perk. That's something that was started in order to help downtown businesses. If that was done to help bring folks downtown then it doesn't make sense to now say that "these are not the people the city should be focused on".

    --This really hurts folks who live downtown and will now have to buy garage passes or something in order to park their cars. They've currently enjoyed the free parking after they get off work

    --There's no telling if the MLK interchange or the 4th St project will ever happen because they rely on much more than this money in order to happen.

    --This deal also includes extra "flush money" that the city can witter away and you bet they'll do exactly that. You don't want to give those idiots on city council drunked sailor money

    My point is this: If you want to raise revenue by increasing parking costs, fine. Do it but do it openly. Don't sell it off. If this goes to a vote, it'll go down in flames.
    -It's a 30-year lease to be controlled by the Port Authority, not 50 years.
    -As much as John Cranley and the Republicans wants you to believe it, the Fountain Square garage is not impacted. It's funny to see Republicans so against privatizing something.
    -Most people who live downtown have parking as part of their apartment or condo community. It will only impact their guests who have parked on the street for free after 5pm. The demand for center city rentals is off the charts right now and I don't think this proposal will curb it.
    -The MLK interchange will happen. Gov. Kasich has made it a priority. This money will jumpstart it and allow the project to start much quicker.
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    Where to begin on this...

    It's a quick-cash grab because the city's elected officials are too afraid of angering any portion of their constituents by cutting their budget to a sensible level. The overwhelming majority of the dollars generated by the sale of parking will go to covering budget gaps in 2013 and 2014 (~50-55m of the proposed ~95m cash influx). The budget gaps, however, are structural in nature -- the city is projecting deficits indefinitely into the future because they have too much money committed (mostly in salary/benefits of city employees) and not enough tax revenue to cover. This means that once 2016 comes, the city will once again be facing the exact some problem that is leading it to sell off the parking rights now: a multi-million dollar budget gap. The parking sale is just kicking the can down the road and hoping that someone else comes up with a brilliant plan in the interim to fix the situation.

    So to recap this point, even if you're in favor of the idea of the parking sale, the dollars that COULD be used to fund long-term, revenue-generating projects within the city are being outright wasted to pay for salaries and benefits right now that will provide no long-term return on investment. It would be much better if the city finally (after years doing everything possible to avoid it) finally did something about out-of-control spending that is occurring at city hall.

    Also, quickly, on some of your other points:

    - This lease impacts the entire city limits of the city of Cincinnati, not just the urban core downtown (although the only benefits to the city will be seen downtown -- screw you to the neighborhoods who also pay property taxes and earnings taxes in the city). This means if you rely on street parking in Oakley or Westwood, get ready for more meters everywhere, longer hours on those meters, and higher prices as well.

    - On the issue of apartment / condo parking -- even if you get a space given to you by the terms of your lease (and I'd contest the idea that "most" places give you a free space -- I can counter your anecdotal evidence by saying, accurately, that "most" people I know who rent within the city limits are not provided parking as part of their rental agreement), you still have parking issues for friends visting, girlfriends/wives, etc. Want to have friends over for dinner? Feed the meter. Family visiting from out of town? Feed the meter. Girlfriend spending the night? Feed the meter.

    - I'd also disagree with your point that "the city shouldn't focus on X group of people" -- the city needs EVERYONE to buy into downtown. When you jack up parking meter prices and install technology that allows for aggressive enforcement (they're talking about installing sensors that alert when a space is occupied and, presumably, can notify a meter maid instantly when a meter is expired and a car is still in the slot), you're going to create a hostile environment downtown. People will choose to spend their money elsewhere at places like Kenwood and Rookwood, where the parking is free and you can spend all day shopping without worrying there will be a $100 citation on your vehicle when you come outside.

    This deal is bad all around, and I can't fathom a single reason to support it unless you're a city worker who might lose salary benefits or a job if they don't use this money to fix the budget gaps. Even if you like the idea because it's an opportunity to grow downtown and use resources to "jump start" all of these projects (not pay for, mind you, but "jump start" -- there's no guarantee that any of these things actually get off the ground), don't you want ALL of the money going to those projects and not just whatever is left over after the city leaders buy themselves 2 years of budget solutions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Where to begin on this...

    It's a quick-cash grab because the city's elected officials are too afraid of angering any portion of their constituents by cutting their budget to a sensible level. The overwhelming majority of the dollars generated by the sale of parking will go to covering budget gaps in 2013 and 2014 (~50-55m of the proposed ~95m cash influx). The budget gaps, however, are structural in nature -- the city is projecting deficits indefinitely into the future because they have too much money committed (mostly in salary/benefits of city employees) and not enough tax revenue to cover. This means that once 2016 comes, the city will once again be facing the exact some problem that is leading it to sell off the parking rights now: a multi-million dollar budget gap. The parking sale is just kicking the can down the road and hoping that someone else comes up with a brilliant plan in the interim to fix the situation.

    So to recap this point, even if you're in favor of the idea of the parking sale, the dollars that COULD be used to fund long-term, revenue-generating projects within the city are being outright wasted to pay for salaries and benefits right now that will provide no long-term return on investment. It would be much better if the city finally (after years doing everything possible to avoid it) finally did something about out-of-control spending that is occurring at city hall.

    Also, quickly, on some of your other points:

    - This lease impacts the entire city limits of the city of Cincinnati, not just the urban core downtown (although the only benefits to the city will be seen downtown -- screw you to the neighborhoods who also pay property taxes and earnings taxes in the city). This means if you rely on street parking in Oakley or Westwood, get ready for more meters everywhere, longer hours on those meters, and higher prices as well.

    - On the issue of apartment / condo parking -- even if you get a space given to you by the terms of your lease (and I'd contest the idea that "most" places give you a free space -- I can counter your anecdotal evidence by saying, accurately, that "most" people I know who rent within the city limits are not provided parking as part of their rental agreement), you still have parking issues for friends visting, girlfriends/wives, etc. Want to have friends over for dinner? Feed the meter. Family visiting from out of town? Feed the meter. Girlfriend spending the night? Feed the meter.

    - I'd also disagree with your point that "the city shouldn't focus on X group of people" -- the city needs EVERYONE to buy into downtown. When you jack up parking meter prices and install technology that allows for aggressive enforcement (they're talking about installing sensors that alert when a space is occupied and, presumably, can notify a meter maid instantly when a meter is expired and a car is still in the slot), you're going to create a hostile environment downtown. People will choose to spend their money elsewhere at places like Kenwood and Rookwood, where the parking is free and you can spend all day shopping without worrying there will be a $100 citation on your vehicle when you come outside.

    This deal is bad all around, and I can't fathom a single reason to support it unless you're a city worker who might lose salary benefits or a job if they don't use this money to fix the budget gaps. Even if you like the idea because it's an opportunity to grow downtown and use resources to "jump start" all of these projects (not pay for, mind you, but "jump start" -- there's no guarantee that any of these things actually get off the ground), don't you want ALL of the money going to those projects and not just whatever is left over after the city leaders buy themselves 2 years of budget solutions?
    To your point that the only benefits are to downtown. By my count, the 4th and Race tower, MLK interchange and the Wasson Way project impact 14 neighborhoods.

    Downtown
    Evanston
    Oakley
    Hyde Park
    Corryville
    Avondale
    North Avondale
    Walnut Hills
    East Walnut Hills
    Clifton
    CUF
    Mariemont
    Fairfax
    Norwood

    That's a lot of neighborhoods benefiting. And it prevents layoffs of police and fire to balance the budget. I'm not a huge supporter of this deal and I don't like how quickly it's being rushed through but I don't think it's a "bad deal all around".
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    Yardhouse is set to open at The Banks next week, and just in time for opening day. It will have more than 150 beers on tap. Here's the impressive list:

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