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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I wonder how the dynamic of the Upton brothers playing on the same team will work. it isn't all that common. Were the Boone's that last brothers to play on the same team with regular jobs-ish? (1998)
    I seem to recall Team LaRoche in Pittsburgh a few years back.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    The problem is, you spent a ton of time telling us a few weeks ago that guys start falling off a cliff at 28, so Upton has only 3 years left of prime and at this pace, he's only playing that way once every two years
    I don't believe I said they fall off of a cliff at 28, but they start declining. But assuming his every other year, the Braves are going to get 2 superstar years and one still pretty good year.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

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    I seem to recall Team LaRoche in Pittsburgh a few years back.
    Which obviously worked out GREAT for them!


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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't believe I said they fall off of a cliff at 28, but they start declining. But assuming his every other year, the Braves are going to get 2 superstar years and one still pretty good year.
    Well I was mostly just joking about that. But in seriousness, they don't start declining, at least on average, until 32. If I can find it, Tom Tango had a terrific chart several years ago that showed the production curve and from 28-32 it was basically steady, and then began the downward trend at that point.
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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I can see what Rick is saying, and heck, I could even see where Delgado breaks out and in the end, the Dbacks get more "value" out of the deal (like how the Padres are very likely to get more "value" from the Latos trade), but I can't look at it right now and not think the Braves easily won this. There is one player in the deal who has superstar abilities and he is signed for less than $13M a season for the next three years. The team that got him is the one that comes out on top.
    According to a source I have in the Braves organization they were not real high on Delgado's work ethic. The word lazy in fact was used.
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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Just read the Jayson Stark article on this trade. He quoted an unnamed GM as saying...

    "It's three five-tool players. That's what you've got in one outfield."

    BJ Upton is not a 5 tool player. Justin is closer, and Heyward... not so much. None of the three hit... for power yes, but aren't the five tools; hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities.

    None really hit for average, Justin being the closest to that.

    5 tool player is waaaaay over used.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Just read the Jayson Stark article on this trade. He quoted an unnamed GM as saying...

    "It's three five-tool players. That's what you've got in one outfield."

    BJ Upton is not a 5 tool player. Justin is closer, and Heyward... not so much. None of the three hit... for power yes, but aren't the five tools; hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities.

    None really hit for average, Justin being the closest to that.

    5 tool player is waaaaay over used.
    Can't rule it out for either J. Upton or Heyward, I say.
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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Absolutely. Pitching wins.

    Every off-season, a team spends a ton in money and talent to build a formidable lineup, but neglects their pitching and defense. They never do as well as projected. You would think the Braves would be the last team to be dumb enough to make such a mistake. Guess not.
    The Braves had a dearth of pitching and traded what, injured Tommy Hanson, lazy Randall Delgado, and a pitching prospect? Meanwhile, acquiring the Upton brothers certainly does not weaken defense...
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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Not including Francisco and his robust K every 2.74 AB's, this is what the heart of the Braves new order did last season:

    AB - Total K - AB/K

    Uggla
    523 168 3.11

    B Upton
    573 169 3.39

    Heyward
    587 152 3.86

    Freeman
    540 129 4.19

    J Upton
    554 121 4.58

    Averages for the 4 above
    555.4 147.8 3.82

    That's a whole bunch of swing and miss...
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    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Dear Arizona, it's not football

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/q...t-stove-012413

    “The problem is that he didn’t play with a high level of energy,” said the former teammate, who spoke on the condition that he would not be identified. “What I think they want is guys who play with the speed, energy and intensity of the Oregon football team — all out, all the time.

    “Justin doesn’t have that kind of attitude; he has a quiet intensity that doesn’t fit the mold of what KT and Gibby seem to want. He plays hard, but has to look suave doing it. Slamming into walls isn’t his thing, and they will accept nothing short of all-out sacrifice for the team.”

    Evidently, it wasn’t enough when Upton hit 31 home runs and finished fourth in the 2011 voting for National League MVP. Evidently, it wasn’t enough that he played through a painful injury to his left thumb in the early part of last season, helping account for his drop in production.

    No one questions Upton’s work ethic, but in the words of one rival executive, “he is not a leader, not an all-out hustle type.” Neither is his older brother and new teammate, center fielder B.J. Upton. Both Uptons are so talented, they can make the game look easy — too easy.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    Not including Francisco and his robust K every 2.74 AB's, this is what the heart of the Braves new order did last season:

    AB - Total K - AB/K


    Averages for the 4 above
    555.4 147.8 3.82

    That's a whole bunch of swing and miss...
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...ir-strikeouts/

    Basically, at the team level, there's no meaningful correlation between strikeouts and wOBA. And to the extent that striking out more hurts, improving your team baserunning helps your offense more than striking out more hurts.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    It is when your manager is a former football player.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    It is when your manager is a former football player.
    Gibson has played enough baseball to know the difference

    On his gravestone the will mention baseball not football especially since he went to MSU

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    Re: Justin Upton traded to Braves

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Gibson has played enough baseball to know the difference

    On his gravestone the will mention baseball not football especially since he went to MSU
    Yeah, he should know the difference, but he always struck me as a football meathead type of guy. That kinda was his thing, that he played baseball with a football mentality. It doesn't surprise me that he's managing his baseball team with the same mentality.
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