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savafan · 10-20-2005, 11:49 AM

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05293/591657.stm

Thursday, October 20, 2005
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

If a woman who cannot swim leaps into a rain-swollen creek and saves the life of a friend's toddler, she is a hero. If instead she yells for help to the child's father, she's a typical mortal.

What she's not is a criminal. Falling short of heroism is no crime. Making it one, as occurred recently in Blair County, sets a dangerous precedent.

The Blair County district attorney prosecuted a nonswimmer, Susan Newkirk, for endangering the welfare of a child after she summoned a 2-year-old's father to rescue him rather than leaping herself into South Poplar Run after Hurricane Ivan turned it into a torrent in September 2004.

A jury convicted Ms. Newkirk in July and a judge sentenced her to jail this month for a year and a half.

Blair District Attorney Dave Gorman said Ms. Newkirk had a duty to try to save the child and insisted it was irrelevant that she couldn't swim because two other people, including a nonswimmer, attempted a rescue. Apparently it is irrelevant to Mr. Gorman that they failed. The child died.

Apparently it is also irrelevant that American Red Cross life guarding instructors warn the strong swimmers who are their students never to leap in unprepared. There is no point in two people dying, these instructors caution. Still, tragically, people perish that way every year.

The boy's father, Thomas E. Reffner, was not paying Ms. Newkirk to watch his child and hadn't asked her to supervise him. Still, when the boy first got close to the creek, she took him back to his father. Later, she returned to the creek; the youngster toddled after her and fell in.

It's a stretch to argue that a nonswimmer has a moral obligation to risk her life to rescue another person. It's dangerous to take that a step further and hold her to the higher standard of criminal responsibility.

Where does it stop? Could passersby be sent to jail for not running into flaming buildings or not pulling a driver from a burning car? We agree with David Herring, a professor of child welfare law at the University of Pittsburgh, that this is an "aggressive prosecution."

Ms. Newkirk is in jail while her public defender is appealing the conviction. Not just for her, but for everyone's sake, let's hope she wins.

flyer85 · 10-20-2005, 12:02 PM

That is a bizarre story.

remdog · 10-20-2005, 01:44 PM

Where is it an accepted idea that a non-swimmer can save another person in a rain-swollen creek, much less herself.

This is just dumb if the facts are correct.

Rem

KronoRed · 10-20-2005, 02:55 PM

This is ridiculous

Would they be happy if she died as well?

RBA · 10-20-2005, 08:32 PM

Why is the child's father letting his children play around a swollen creek?

Heath · 10-20-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBloodedAmerican

Why is the child's father letting his children play around a swollen creek?

Maybe he's related to the mom who tossed her kids over a pier in San Francisco because she heard voices.

Some people need mental aptitude tests before they procreate.

cincinnati chili · 10-20-2005, 09:32 PM

Even in Western PA, this'll get thrown out on appeal (assuming the facts are as reported in the newspaper).

TeamBoone · 10-20-2005, 11:57 PM

Why oh why do we keep seeing so many stories about bizarre situations similar to this? They are definitely escalating... people being held responsible for things that are entirely out of their control, suing (and winning) over really stupid things, persons guilty of serious crimes acquitted because of a technicality even when it's painfully obvious that they're guilty or because they hear voices...... or God only knows what else. What on earth is going on in this country anyway? Perps have more rights than victims and innocent citizens must now put their own lives at risk to save others and become their brothers' keepers or risk paying a penalty for not doing so. Ugh!

It seems to be a problem in the US that is escalating to epidemic proportion. The more bizarre it sounds, the truer it is. Are people just taking stupid pills or what?

savafan · 10-21-2005, 12:03 AM

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
-William Shakespeare
Henry VI

KronoRed · 10-21-2005, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
-William Shakespeare
Henry VI

Our zoner lawyers disagree

Yachtzee · 10-21-2005, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
-William Shakespeare
Henry VI

Where's the rest of the quote?

savafan · 10-21-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

Where's the rest of the quote?

That's all of that particular line, but in context:

CADE
I thank you, good people: there shall be no money;
all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will
apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree
like brothers and worship me their lord.

DICK
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

CADE
Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable
thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should
be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled
o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:
but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal
once to a thing, and I was never mine own man
since. How now! who's there?

Reds Nd2 · 10-26-2005, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
-William Shakespeare
Henry VI

"The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers - kill 'em tonight"
The Eagles - Get Over It

RFS62 · 10-21-2005, 12:12 AM

This is insane.

Unassisted · 10-21-2005, 09:32 AM

Maybe she remembered this story from July about the guy who got arrested for rescuing a swimmer?

10-20-2005, 11:49 AM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05293/591657.stm Thursday, October 20, 2005 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette If a woman who cannot swim leaps into a rain-swollen creek and saves the life of a friend's toddler, she is a hero. If instead she yells for help to the child's father, she's a typical mortal. What she's not is a criminal. Falling short of heroism is no crime. Making it one, as occurred recently in Blair County, sets a dangerous precedent. The Blair County district attorney prosecuted a nonswimmer, Susan Newkirk, for endangering the welfare of a child after she summoned a 2-year-old's father to rescue him rather than leaping herself into South Poplar Run after Hurricane Ivan turned it into a torrent in September 2004. A jury convicted Ms. Newkirk in July and a judge sentenced her to jail this month for a year and a half. Blair District Attorney Dave Gorman said Ms. Newkirk had a duty to try to save the child and insisted it was irrelevant that she couldn't swim because two other people, including a nonswimmer, attempted a rescue. Apparently it is irrelevant to Mr. Gorman that they failed. The child died. Apparently it is also irrelevant that American Red Cross life guarding instructors warn the strong swimmers who are their students never to leap in unprepared. There is no point in two people dying, these instructors caution. Still, tragically, people perish that way every year. The boy's father, Thomas E. Reffner, was not paying Ms. Newkirk to watch his child and hadn't asked her to supervise him. Still, when the boy first got close to the creek, she took him back to his father. Later, she returned to the creek; the youngster toddled after her and fell in. It's a stretch to argue that a nonswimmer has a moral obligation to risk her life to rescue another person. It's dangerous to take that a step further and hold her to the higher standard of criminal responsibility. Where does it stop? Could passersby be sent to jail for not running into flaming buildings or not pulling a driver from a burning car? We agree with David Herring, a professor of child welfare law at the University of Pittsburgh, that this is an "aggressive prosecution." Ms. Newkirk is in jail while her public defender is appealing the conviction. Not just for her, but for everyone's sake, let's hope she wins. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

10-20-2005, 12:02 PM	#2
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child That is a bizarre story. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

10-20-2005, 01:44 PM	#3
remdog Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 7,941	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child Where is it an accepted idea that a non-swimmer can save another person in a rain-swollen creek, much less herself. This is just dumb if the facts are correct. Rem

10-20-2005, 02:55 PM	#4
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child This is ridiculous Would they be happy if she died as well? __________________ Go Gators!

10-20-2005, 08:32 PM	#5
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child Why is the child's father letting his children play around a swollen creek?

10-20-2005, 09:32 PM	#7
cincinnati chili post hype sleeper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 10,350	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child Even in Western PA, this'll get thrown out on appeal (assuming the facts are as reported in the newspaper). __________________ On Dasher On Dancer On Prancer Ondrusek

10-20-2005, 11:57 PM	#8
TeamBoone "Let's Roll" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 12,821	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child Why oh why do we keep seeing so many stories about bizarre situations similar to this? They are definitely escalating... people being held responsible for things that are entirely out of their control, suing (and winning) over really stupid things, persons guilty of serious crimes acquitted because of a technicality even when it's painfully obvious that they're guilty or because they hear voices...... or God only knows what else. What on earth is going on in this country anyway? Perps have more rights than victims and innocent citizens must now put their own lives at risk to save others and become their brothers' keepers or risk paying a penalty for not doing so. Ugh! It seems to be a problem in the US that is escalating to epidemic proportion. The more bizarre it sounds, the truer it is. Are people just taking stupid pills or what? __________________ "Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn

10-21-2005, 12:03 AM	#9
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" -William Shakespeare Henry VI __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

10-21-2005, 12:12 AM	#14
RFS62 Hey Cubs Fans Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New York Posts: 16,567	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child This is insane. __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

10-21-2005, 09:32 AM	#15
Unassisted RZ Chamber of Commerce Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 13,222	Re: woman who can't swim sentenced to jail for failing to save drowning child Maybe she remembered this story from July about the guy who got arrested for rescuing a swimmer?

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