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RedsManRick · 02-23-2006, 03:29 PM

In an article on HardBallTimes the author has a short section about using projected stats and some complicated analysis to create the optimal lineup. Assuming the projections are right of course, here's what it put out for the Reds (it doesn't have pitchers and requires 9 players so I used Womack as a proxy for our pitcher).

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-i-didnt-know/

1. Freel
2. Kearns
3. Dunn
4. Griffey
5. Pena
6. Encarnacion
7. Lopez
8. Larue
9. Womack

I like it! If you take Freel out and add in another "pitcher" Lopez moves to 1, LaRue to 7, and the new "pitcher" moves to 8. In other words, it likes Kearns batting 2nd (as do I) and Womack is the worst hitter in baseball.

gonelong · 02-23-2006, 03:32 PM

I like that well enough ... I'd do this ...

1. Freel 2B
2. Lopez SS
3. Dunn 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Kearns RF
6. Pena LF
7. Encarnacion 3B
8. Larue C
9. Pitcher

/edit - meant to remove Woe-is-the-team-who-starts-me-at-2B-mack. for a pitcher.

Sea Ray · 02-25-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gonelong

I like that well enough ... I'd do this ...

1. Freel 2B
2. Lopez SS
3. Dunn 1B
4. Griffey CF
5. Kearns RF
6. Pena LF
7. Encarnacion 3B
8. Larue C
9. Pitcher

/edit - meant to remove Woe-is-the-team-who-starts-me-at-2B-mack. for a pitcher.

I agree with you. I wonder why they like Kearns at #2? He strikes out a ton, has little speed and does not add the switch hitting ability that Lopez does. I like your lineup a lot. Of course as soon as we fall in love with a set lineup things happen and we read in Sept that "the Reds' projected starting lineup has played 8 games together." So it's fun off season fodder for us to throw around but thatr's all it is.

pedro · 02-23-2006, 03:33 PM

who's pitching?

Redsland · 02-23-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

who's pitching?

Well, it isn't Kooky Lefty, that's for sure.

pedro · 02-23-2006, 03:39 PM

Even in a situation where the Reds are playing with the DH in an AL park I can't find any reasonable justification for Womack to be in the lineup.

RedsManRick · 02-23-2006, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro

Even in a situation where the Reds are playing with the DH in an AL park I can't find any reasonable justification for Womack to be in the lineup.

The choice of Womack had nothing to do with his presence on the Reds. It had everything to do with trying to find the worst possible position player I could to approximate the hitting ability of a pitcher. Womack just happened to fit the bill.

Far East · 02-23-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro

Even in a situation where the Reds are playing with the DH in an AL park I can't find any reasonable justification for Womack to be in the lineup.

Which brings up the question of who may actually be the DH in the AL parks.

1. Freel
2. Lopez
3. Dunn
4. Griffey
5. Kearns
6. Pena
7. Encarnacion
8. LaRue
?DH. Hatteberg/Valentin? -- depending on R/L opposing pitcher, but not necessarily at #9, however. If E.E. needs a rest, perhaps Aurilia plays 3B, with Encarnacion at DH sometimes. Womack doesn't make my list of the top 11 position players.

I like Freel & Lopez at the expected "base-running" slots.

Love Dunn's respectable foot speed and more than respectable OBP in front of Junior.

Fear that E.E. at # 6 or higher puts too much pressure on him, at least early in the '06 season.

pedro · 02-23-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Far East

Which brings up the question of who may actually be the DH in the AL parks.

My guess is Aurilia againt LH and Valentin against RH.

Redsland · 02-23-2006, 03:55 PM

Speaking of which, when is the Hacking Mass draft?

pedro · 02-23-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsland

Speaking of which, when is the Hacking Mass draft?

I don't know. I got screwed by Pokey Reese and Jorge Cantu last year.

RedsManRick · 02-23-2006, 05:22 PM

Aurilia on 2B, Freel in CF, Junior DHing to save his body.

KronoRed · 02-23-2006, 05:27 PM

Did we move to the AL ?

LincolnparkRed · 02-23-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

Did we move to the AL ?

Maybe we should volunteer like Bud did with the Brewers

reds44 · 02-23-2006, 06:52 PM

Lopez 7th?

02-23-2006, 03:29 PM	#1
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Best Lineup projector In an article on HardBallTimes the author has a short section about using projected stats and some complicated analysis to create the optimal lineup. Assuming the projections are right of course, here's what it put out for the Reds (it doesn't have pitchers and requires 9 players so I used Womack as a proxy for our pitcher). http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-i-didnt-know/ 1. Freel 2. Kearns 3. Dunn 4. Griffey 5. Pena 6. Encarnacion 7. Lopez 8. Larue 9. Womack I like it! If you take Freel out and add in another "pitcher" Lopez moves to 1, LaRue to 7, and the new "pitcher" moves to 8. In other words, it likes Kearns batting 2nd (as do I) and Womack is the worst hitter in baseball. Last edited by RedsManRick; 02-23-2006 at 03:32 PM.

02-23-2006, 03:33 PM	#4
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Best Lineup projector who's pitching? __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

02-23-2006, 03:39 PM	#6
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Best Lineup projector Even in a situation where the Reds are playing with the DH in an AL park I can't find any reasonable justification for Womack to be in the lineup. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

02-23-2006, 03:55 PM	#10
Redsland You know his story Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 7,713	Re: Best Lineup projector Speaking of which, when is the Hacking Mass draft? __________________ Makes all the routine posts.

02-23-2006, 05:22 PM	#12
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Re: Best Lineup projector Aurilia on 2B, Freel in CF, Junior DHing to save his body.

02-23-2006, 03:32 PM	#2
gonelong Score Early, Score Often Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,127	Re: Best Lineup projector I like that well enough ... I'd do this ... 1. Freel 2B 2. Lopez SS 3. Dunn 1B 4. Griffey CF 5. Kearns RF 6. Pena LF 7. Encarnacion 3B 8. Larue C 9. Pitcher /edit - meant to remove Woe-is-the-team-who-starts-me-at-2B-mack. for a pitcher. Last edited by gonelong; 02-23-2006 at 03:36 PM.

02-23-2006, 05:27 PM	#13
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: Best Lineup projector Did we move to the AL ? __________________ Go Gators!

02-23-2006, 06:52 PM	#15
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,655	Re: Best Lineup projector Lopez 7th?

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