Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Highlifeman21 · 05-08-2006, 08:15 AM

Having nothing to do before running a golf outing today waiting for players arrive, and watching the archive of Brandon Webb's gem the other day, what are your thoughts on him? I think he's one of the young, emerging arms in the game, and is a legitimate #1.

Realistically, what, if anything, would you give up for him?

My first thought: Felipe Lopez.

Arizona has an old Craig Counsell playing SS as well as an old Damian Easley playing SS, and Felipe would fit into their youth movement. Honestly, I'm not sure if Lopez alone would be enough for Webb, IMO probably not. One player I would like to come back with Webb would be none other than the O Dog, Orlando Hudson. While he doesn't swing the best stick in the land, I think he could easily fit into a Juan Castro role to be a glorified glove man, as well as defensive replacement/pinch runner. Our offense would definitely survive the loss of Lopez, and I think the addition of Webb would honestly make us a contender in the Central for years to come with our current core.

Realistically, I guess I'd send Lopez, Cody Ross, Olmedo or Bergolla and Travis Chick for Webb and Hudson. Still, might need something else, so I would add Germano as well, to look like Lopez, C. Ross, Olmedo/Bergolla, Chick, Germano for Webb and Hudson.

Thoughts?

edabbs44 · 05-08-2006, 08:40 AM

Too many players on Cincy's side and I don't think Zona is looking to deal pitchers. They are loaded with positional prospects and have no pitching. That's like a fantasy league trade. I don't think they'd ever trade Webb, but if they did Homer's name would come up in 100% of the conversations. And not only his name, but others as well.

RedEye · 05-08-2006, 08:45 AM

Never gonna happen unless we give up more. Who would give up a young #1 starter like that? Webb is one of the best in the game for his age, and I think any Diamondbacks plan for the future has to include him as long as he fits financially.

I do like the idea, though. Webb has one of the best if not the best ground ball pitching games in MLB, and he would be a perfect fit for Great American Small Park. He would allow us to see Harang's sangfroid at a dominant #2 rather than a fighting #1, and then move Arroyo's leg kick to #3.

I think it would take at least Dunn if not Dunn + prospects... maybe Dunn + Travis Wood, and that's if they're willing to deal Webb at all. And I think if they offer that deal, this team takes it in a heartbeat. Webb is that good.

Newman4 · 05-08-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RedEye

I think it would take at least Dunn if not Dunn + prospects... maybe Dunn + Travis Wood, and that's if they're willing to deal Webb at all. And I think if they offer that deal, this team takes it in a heartbeat. Webb is that good.

I'd do that deal as well.

kyle1976 · 05-08-2006, 09:04 AM

I think Arizona would only accept your trade offer if we also threw in Dave Williams. Losing Williams would be a tough pill to swallow, but it'd be worth it for Brandon Webb.

On a more serious note, Arizona would be crazy to trade Webb. Not gonna happen.

lollipopcurve · 05-08-2006, 09:06 AM

Arizona has Stephen Drew almost ready for the majors. They don't need a SS.

flyer85 · 05-08-2006, 09:14 AM

Pitching is the one thing lacking in their minor league system so they certainly aren't going to be trading it.

Dunner44 · 05-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I would trade Dunn for Webb if they threw Shawn Green in the deal. I covet his defenisve skills in the outfield...

flyer85 · 05-08-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunner44

I would trade Dunn for Webb if they threw Shawn Green in the deal. I covet his defenisve skills in the outfield...

they are not trading Webb, there have no replacement on a team already short of starting pitching. They maybe could use a Dunn this year but the cavalry is on the way in Young, Quentin, Gonzalez and Upton. They by far have the best OF prospects in baseball(2 in AAA).

If the Snakes make a trade it will be for pitching.

MattyHo4Life · 05-08-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by flyer85

they are not trading Webb, there have no replacement on a team already short of starting pitching. They maybe could use a Dunn this year but the cavalry is on the way in Young, Quentin, Gonzalez and Upton. They by far have the best OF prospects in baseball(2 in AAA).

If the Snakes make a trade it will be for pitching.

The folks on the DBacks board are probably throwing out ideas on how they can trade one of their young Outfielders for Arroyo or Harang.

flyer85 · 05-08-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life

The folks on the DBacks board are probably throwing out ideas on how they can trade one of their young Outfielders for Arroyo or Harang.

Honestly the trade talk stuff gets really idiotic when you don't even look at the strengths and weaknessess of the other team at the major league and minor league level. The Snakes have to be looking to acquire pitching, not trade it away.

harangatang · 05-08-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by flyer85

Honestly the trade talk stuff gets really idiotic when you don't even look at the strengths and weaknessess of the other team at the major league and minor league level. The Snakes have to be looking to acquire pitching, not trade it away.

Exactly, if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have Arroyo for some outfielder whose name escapes the top of my head right now.

PuffyPig · 05-08-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life

The folks on the DBacks board are probably throwing out ideas on how they can trade one of their young Outfielders for Arroyo or Harang.

Funny, and bang on.

Why would any team trade a cheap #1 starter for marginal stuff. If you wanted Webb, you would have to trade so much primo young talent that it wouldn't make sense. Other teams aren't simply lying around looking to improve the Reds. If you want to trade for a #1 starter, you either have to get one on the verge of FA, or trade for one prior to him becoming a #1 starter.

KronoRed · 05-08-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life

The folks on the DBacks board are probably throwing out ideas on how they can trade one of their young Outfielders for Arroyo or Harang.

Webb for Harang

Newman4 · 05-08-2006, 09:28 AM

It would take more to get Webb than Dontrelle Willis. He's signed to a great deal for Arizona. 4 years 19.5 Million. Club option for 2010. If you wanted him as a free agent after that (He'd be 31) then he's from Ashland, Kentucky, right in the middle of Reds Country, maybe he'd like to "come back home". Ah, wishful thinking.

05-08-2006, 09:04 AM	#5
kyle1976 In Wayne We Trust Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 156	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona I think Arizona would only accept your trade offer if we also threw in Dave Williams. Losing Williams would be a tough pill to swallow, but it'd be worth it for Brandon Webb. On a more serious note, Arizona would be crazy to trade Webb. Not gonna happen.

05-08-2006, 09:06 AM	#6
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,577	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona Arizona has Stephen Drew almost ready for the majors. They don't need a SS. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

05-08-2006, 09:14 AM	#7
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona Pitching is the one thing lacking in their minor league system so they certainly aren't going to be trading it. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

05-08-2006, 09:25 AM	#8
Dunner44 Can he be stopped? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Notre Dame Posts: 1,231	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona I would trade Dunn for Webb if they threw Shawn Green in the deal. I covet his defenisve skills in the outfield... __________________ Tom Shearn... who knew? Reds reccord when I attend in 2007: 6-1

05-08-2006, 09:28 AM	#15
Newman4 Old Red Guard Reject Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,419	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona It would take more to get Webb than Dontrelle Willis. He's signed to a great deal for Arizona. 4 years 19.5 Million. Club option for 2010. If you wanted him as a free agent after that (He'd be 31) then he's from Ashland, Kentucky, right in the middle of Reds Country, maybe he'd like to "come back home". Ah, wishful thinking. __________________ If you ain't first, you're last! - Ricky Bobby

05-08-2006, 08:15 AM	#1
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona Having nothing to do before running a golf outing today waiting for players arrive, and watching the archive of Brandon Webb's gem the other day, what are your thoughts on him? I think he's one of the young, emerging arms in the game, and is a legitimate #1. Realistically, what, if anything, would you give up for him? My first thought: Felipe Lopez. Arizona has an old Craig Counsell playing SS as well as an old Damian Easley playing SS, and Felipe would fit into their youth movement. Honestly, I'm not sure if Lopez alone would be enough for Webb, IMO probably not. One player I would like to come back with Webb would be none other than the O Dog, Orlando Hudson. While he doesn't swing the best stick in the land, I think he could easily fit into a Juan Castro role to be a glorified glove man, as well as defensive replacement/pinch runner. Our offense would definitely survive the loss of Lopez, and I think the addition of Webb would honestly make us a contender in the Central for years to come with our current core. Realistically, I guess I'd send Lopez, Cody Ross, Olmedo or Bergolla and Travis Chick for Webb and Hudson. Still, might need something else, so I would add Germano as well, to look like Lopez, C. Ross, Olmedo/Bergolla, Chick, Germano for Webb and Hudson. Thoughts? Last edited by Highlifeman21; 05-08-2006 at 08:16 AM. Reason: clarify thread title

05-08-2006, 08:40 AM	#2
edabbs44 Box of Frogs Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 15,947	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona Too many players on Cincy's side and I don't think Zona is looking to deal pitchers. They are loaded with positional prospects and have no pitching. That's like a fantasy league trade. I don't think they'd ever trade Webb, but if they did Homer's name would come up in 100% of the conversations. And not only his name, but others as well.

05-08-2006, 08:45 AM	#3
RedEye Ojo Rojo Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Moving to Atlanta in July Posts: 5,024	Re: Random Trade Thought w/ Arizona Never gonna happen unless we give up more. Who would give up a young #1 starter like that? Webb is one of the best in the game for his age, and I think any Diamondbacks plan for the future has to include him as long as he fits financially. I do like the idea, though. Webb has one of the best if not the best ground ball pitching games in MLB, and he would be a perfect fit for Great American Small Park. He would allow us to see Harang's sangfroid at a dominant #2 rather than a fighting #1, and then move Arroyo's leg kick to #3. I think it would take at least Dunn if not Dunn + prospects... maybe Dunn + Travis Wood, and that's if they're willing to deal Webb at all. And I think if they offer that deal, this team takes it in a heartbeat. Webb is that good.

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