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savafan · 05-12-2006, 05:11 PM

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Posted By Josh Bacott

For those of you that aren't sabermetrics friendly, a commonly used statistic is Value Over Replacement Player or VORP. It's used to measure the number of runs contributed by a player beyond what would be contributed by an average Major League Player. For example Albert Pujols is roughly 30 runs better than your run of the mill average MLB player or basically anyone on the Royals roster.

For Yadier Molina, he is 11 runs worse than an average player right now. Now some (Tony LaRussa) will lay out the standard Mike Matheny theory of horrible offense - "he's so good w/ the staff and defensively that whatever he gives us offensively is a plus." With that in mind, we here at the Daily Redbird have determined that comparing a player like Molina to an average MLB player isn't fair. Instead we've retooled the formula and come up with a new version of VORP especially for the Cardinals struggling catcher - Value Over Regular Person.

This way we're not comparing him to a baseball player, so much as someone who has never picked up a bat.

This week we're comparing him to (stats below):

Kip Winger, former leader singer of Winger

Yadier Molina, Catcher

STATS

Kip

AVG: .000
OBP: .000
SLG: .000
Songs about a 17 year old girl: 1
Chest hair: Lots
VORP: -10

Yadier

AVG: .168
OBP: .220
SLG: .218
Songs about a 17 year old girl: 0
Chest hair: Unknown
VORP: +10

Based on those stats, it looks like the Cardinals are about 10 runs better off with Molina than if Kip Winger was behind the plate this weekend. Cardinals fans can breathe easy that the offensive prowess of their catcher is slightly better than a 80's Hair Rock star.

Joseph · 05-12-2006, 05:14 PM

IslandRed · 05-12-2006, 10:08 PM

Funny.

Although someone needs to tell Daily Redbird that "replacement player" is not the same as "average player."

marcshoe · 05-12-2006, 10:15 PM

He's selling Kip Winger short. I ran into him in a local mall back when he was "big" (weird thing, he was standing in WaldenBooks reading an article about himself in a magazine--Winger was playing in town that night), and he was wearing a really cool, hand-painted jacket with his name on it. I'll bet Yadier doesn't have one of those.

: Probably none of the Flying Molinas do.

KySteveH · 05-13-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tixe

He's selling Kip Winger short. I ran into him in a local mall back when he was "big" (weird thing, he was standing in WaldenBooks reading an article about himself in a magazine--Winger was playing in town that night), and he was wearing a really cool, hand-painted jacket with his name on it. I'll bet Yadier doesn't have one of those.

: Probably none of the Flying Molinas do.

I had a hand-painted front "license" plate for my car with my name on it. My girlfriend gave it to me when I was about 17. I was so cool back then, I son't know what the heck happened!

reds44 · 05-12-2006, 10:21 PM

hahahahhaahhahaahahaha

savafan · 10-30-2006, 03:29 PM

Right about now I'm wondering if the Cardinals win the World Series with Kip Winger instead of Yadier Molina...

Joseph · 10-31-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

Right about now I'm wondering if the Cardinals win the World Series with Kip Winger instead of Yadier Molina...

Obviously they would have, and they would have swept too.

Johnny Footstool · 10-31-2006, 10:16 AM

Kip Winger was a master of playing the open E-string on his bass with his right hand while pointing with his left hand. Let's see Yadier do that.

Well, okay, Yadier could do that. Anyone with two hands could do that.

But they wouldn't look as cool doing it.

Heath · 10-31-2006, 05:12 PM

Now if Chris Widger was compared to Kip Winger..........

05-12-2006, 05:11 PM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Value Over Regular Person http://www.insidestl.com/stlsports/dailyredbird.php Posted By Josh Bacott For those of you that aren't sabermetrics friendly, a commonly used statistic is Value Over Replacement Player or VORP. It's used to measure the number of runs contributed by a player beyond what would be contributed by an average Major League Player. For example Albert Pujols is roughly 30 runs better than your run of the mill average MLB player or basically anyone on the Royals roster. For Yadier Molina, he is 11 runs worse than an average player right now. Now some (Tony LaRussa) will lay out the standard Mike Matheny theory of horrible offense - "he's so good w/ the staff and defensively that whatever he gives us offensively is a plus." With that in mind, we here at the Daily Redbird have determined that comparing a player like Molina to an average MLB player isn't fair. Instead we've retooled the formula and come up with a new version of VORP especially for the Cardinals struggling catcher - Value Over Regular Person. This way we're not comparing him to a baseball player, so much as someone who has never picked up a bat. This week we're comparing him to (stats below): Kip Winger, former leader singer of Winger Yadier Molina, Catcher STATS Kip AVG: .000 OBP: .000 SLG: .000 Songs about a 17 year old girl: 1 Chest hair: Lots VORP: -10 Yadier AVG: .168 OBP: .220 SLG: .218 Songs about a 17 year old girl: 0 Chest hair: Unknown VORP: +10 Based on those stats, it looks like the Cardinals are about 10 runs better off with Molina than if Kip Winger was behind the plate this weekend. Cardinals fans can breathe easy that the offensive prowess of their catcher is slightly better than a 80's Hair Rock star. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

05-12-2006, 05:14 PM	#2
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,122	Re: Value Over Regular Person __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

05-12-2006, 10:08 PM	#3
IslandRed Charlie Brown All-Star Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Posts: 4,675	Re: Value Over Regular Person Funny. Although someone needs to tell Daily Redbird that "replacement player" is not the same as "average player." __________________ "I don't have a baseball team, I have a theological seminary." -- Charlie Brown

05-12-2006, 10:15 PM	#4
marcshoe Ex-tixe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Just past Mars Posts: 4,469	Re: Value Over Regular Person He's selling Kip Winger short. I ran into him in a local mall back when he was "big" (weird thing, he was standing in WaldenBooks reading an article about himself in a magazine--Winger was playing in town that night), and he was wearing a really cool, hand-painted jacket with his name on it. I'll bet Yadier doesn't have one of those. : Probably none of the Flying Molinas do. __________________ At the Edge of the Woods Preview Go to the edge of the cliff and jump off. Build your wings on the way down. --Ray Bradbury

05-12-2006, 10:21 PM	#6
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,656	Re: Value Over Regular Person hahahahhaahhahaahahaha

10-30-2006, 03:29 PM	#7
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Value Over Regular Person Right about now I'm wondering if the Cardinals win the World Series with Kip Winger instead of Yadier Molina... __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

10-31-2006, 10:16 AM	#9
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Value Over Regular Person Kip Winger was a master of playing the open E-string on his bass with his right hand while pointing with his left hand. Let's see Yadier do that. Well, okay, Yadier could do that. Anyone with two hands could do that. But they wouldn't look as cool doing it. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

10-31-2006, 05:12 PM	#10
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Value Over Regular Person Now if Chris Widger was compared to Kip Winger.......... __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

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