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 05-13-2006, 07:12 PM #1 Newman4 Old Red Guard Reject   Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,419 Someone explain this one to me How is a walk as good as a single? I know in total base stats it counts the same and some have commented on it being equal. But, the obvious difference to me is that a single can score a runner from third or second and a walk cannot. (unless the bases are loaded for the runner to score from third of course) I'm not arguing about this, just needing some clarification for future reference.
 05-13-2006, 07:15 PM #2 reds44 Member     Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 24,648 Re: Someone explain this one to me At times it is, and at times it isn't.
05-13-2006, 07:15 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by Newman4 How is a walk as good as a single? I know in total base stats it counts the same and some have commented on it being equal. But, the obvious difference to me is that a single can score a runner from third or second and a walk cannot. (unless the bases are loaded for the runner to score from third of course) I'm not arguing about this, just needing some clarification for future reference.
Neither result in an out. Both result in the batter advancing one base.

You can't and shouldn't give the hitter more credit (RBI) for something he has no control over (runners on base when he comes to the plate).

05-13-2006, 07:43 PM   #4
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 Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz Neither result in an out. Both result in the batter advancing one base. You can't and shouldn't give the hitter more credit (RBI) for something he has no control over (runners on base when he comes to the plate).
Not giving the hitter credit, but comparing the two situations, one can score runners while one does not usually. So why is the single not better?

05-13-2006, 08:59 PM   #5
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 Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz Neither result in an out. Both result in the batter advancing one base. You can't and shouldn't give the hitter more credit (RBI) for something he has no control over (runners on base when he comes to the plate).
Some hitters are better than others when it comes to hitting with runners in scoring position. I hit is better than a walk with runners on base.

 05-13-2006, 07:35 PM #6 MattyHo4Life Member     Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 3,506 Re: Someone explain this one to me Also... a ball hit into play can be turned into a double play where a BB cannot result in an out on that play.
05-13-2006, 07:46 PM   #7
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 Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life Also... a ball hit into play can be turned into a double play where a BB cannot result in an out on that play.
A single does not turn into a DP. Also, a batted ball can also advance runners, but that's not what we're talking about.

 05-13-2006, 07:39 PM #8 pedro Please come again     Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,734 Re: Someone explain this one to me It also uses up at least 4 pitches. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun
 05-13-2006, 07:39 PM #9 pedro Please come again     Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,734 Re: Someone explain this one to me Plus a player can't score if he doesn't get on base. A walk accomplishes that just as well as a hit. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun
 05-13-2006, 07:56 PM #10 pedro Please come again     Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,734 Re: Someone explain this one to me One thing to consider is often when a batter walks it's often because they did not get a good pitch to hit. As such it is a fallacy to assume that a player chooses a walk vs. getting hit when in reality they cosice is more likely between a walk and an out. I will say that hits are more fun to watch than walks. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun
 05-13-2006, 09:56 PM #11 Danny Serafini 15 game winner     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sultanes de Monterrey Posts: 4,177 Re: Someone explain this one to me It all depends on the situation. If the bases are empty, or there's a runner on first who only moves to second on the single, then a walk is identical to a hit because they ended with the same result. On the other hand if there's a runner on second and he scores on a single, that hit is worth way more than a walk. It's all circumstances.

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