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BoCcc2832 · 07-16-2006, 10:18 AM

Do you think Denorfia's two run RBI should be a hit or an error? Not to take away the pleasure from being the game hero, but look again as a non-biased fan and tell me what you think...

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Phil in BG · 07-16-2006, 10:26 AM

Barmes had to charge the ball because of Denorfia's speed allowing the ball to get by him. If he would have backed off and fielded it cleanly, I believe he would still have had an infield hit.

Tornon · 07-16-2006, 10:50 AM

Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

goreds2 · 07-16-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornon

Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

I AGREE.

KittyDuran · 07-16-2006, 10:57 AM

Error... but the circumstances defined this it. Bottom 9th, bases loaded and the batter hustling down to 1st base. You only need one out and the game is won. His thinking was ahead of his glove work on that play.

TOBTTReds · 07-16-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornon

Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

That's what I say too.

Chip R · 07-16-2006, 11:02 AM

I am sure the official scorer wanted to score that an error but he did not want to face the wrath of Chris Denorfia.

cincinnati chili · 07-16-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip R

I am sure the official scorer wanted to score that an error but he did not want to face the wrath of Chris Denorfia.

I agree, and this is a problem in Major League Baseball. If Selig et al are truly as concerned with the sanctity of the game's written historical record, they will take steps to standardize official scoring around the league and assure autonomy of the scorers from the players.

One idea would be to cut down the number of official scorers to 15 (plus alternates) and have them travel with the umpiring crews. Yes, this would cost more money in travel and salary headcount, but would be worth it. Further, if baseball ever elects to take on instant replay, this person could double in that capacity.

I think that ball is an error. It's not fair to Brian Fuentes that he was charged with two earned runs.

PuffyPig · 07-16-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cincinnati chili

It's not fair to Brian Fuentes that he was charged with two earned runs.

Considering he walked one guy and hit 2 others, I don't have alot of sympathy for Mr. Fuentes. He gave himself no margin of error. You'll lose alot of games if you tempt faith too much. That's the "law of averages" in baseball.

RedsManRick · 07-16-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornon

Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

That's what I'd say. If the bases were empty, it probably would've been just a hit. Even had he fielded it, it would've been tough. But the run scored because he didn't come up with the ball.

Reds Nd2 · 07-16-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tornon

Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.

RFS62 · 07-16-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reds Nd2

I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.

I believe you could rule it both, as a single if you think he would have beaten the throw would only allows runners to advance one base, and the error allows the runner from second to score.

But I agree with Kitty and would call it an error.

Jpup · 07-16-2006, 11:34 AM

a major league shortstop should have caught the ball. would he have thrown him out? that's another question.

gilpdawg · 07-16-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reds Nd2

I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.

Yep. That's the way I see it.

reds44 · 07-16-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds Nd2

I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.

Yes you can.

You see guys lay down bunt all the time that get thrown away that they rule a single an error allowing the runner to move up a base.

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07-16-2006, 10:18 AM	#1
BoCcc2832 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hilliard, OH Posts: 533	Hit or Error? Do you think Denorfia's two run RBI should be a hit or an error? Not to take away the pleasure from being the game hero, but look again as a non-biased fan and tell me what you think... http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...=.jsp&c_id=cin __________________ Reds record while I was in attendance in 2006: 7-2 Reds record while I was in attendance in 2007: 2-0 Reds record while I'm in attendance in 2008: 0-1 "I wish the stadium was filled up every night." - Bronson Arroyo, Cincinnati Enquirer - February 9, 2007

07-16-2006, 10:26 AM	#2
Phil in BG This could be the year Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Bowling Green, Ohio Posts: 452	Re: Hit or Error? Barmes had to charge the ball because of Denorfia's speed allowing the ball to get by him. If he would have backed off and fielded it cleanly, I believe he would still have had an infield hit. Last edited by Phil in BG; 07-16-2006 at 11:08 AM.

07-16-2006, 10:50 AM	#3
Tornon Who, What, Where, When? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,533	Re: Hit or Error? Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

07-16-2006, 10:57 AM	#5
KittyDuran Shut up Spock! Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hamilton, Ohio Posts: 8,147	Re: Hit or Error? Error... but the circumstances defined this it. Bottom 9th, bases loaded and the batter hustling down to 1st base. You only need one out and the game is won. His thinking was ahead of his glove work on that play. __________________ 2013 Reds record when I'm attending: 13-5 2013 Dragons record when I'm attending: *"We want to be the band to dance to when the bomb drops." - Simon LeBon of Duran Duran*

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07-16-2006, 11:34 AM	#13
Jpup Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern KY Posts: 6,967	Re: Hit or Error? a major league shortstop should have caught the ball. would he have thrown him out? that's another question. __________________ "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

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