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Old 10-20-2006, 07:56 PM   #1
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Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

The Reds have 10 players under contract for next season, making a total of $48.925 million:
OF Ken Griffey Jr. $12.5 million
OF Adam Dunn $10.5 million
SP Eric Milton $9 million
C Jason LaRue $5.2 million
SP Bronson Arroyo $3.8 million
RP Rheal Cormier $2.25 million
OF/IF Ryan Freel $1.7 million
IF Scott Hatteberg $1.65 million
C Javier Valentin $1.325 million
IF Juan Castro $1 million

The arbitration-eligible players:
pitchers Aaron Harang and Kyle Lohse and catcher David Ross...will get another $11 million or so. Even if everyone else on the roster made the big-league minimum, that would put the payroll at $65 million.
That would leave $10 million for shopping if the payroll went to $75 million. The Reds need a closer and a shortstop, and $10 million doesn't buy what it used to.

29 million dollars are tied up in Griffey, Milton, LaRue and Cormier.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:29 PM   #2
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

I choose Milton..

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Old 10-20-2006, 08:45 PM   #3
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

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The Reds have 10 players under contract for next season, making a total of $48.925 million:
OF Ken Griffey Jr. $12.5 million
OF Adam Dunn $10.5 million
SP Eric Milton $9 million
C Jason LaRue $5.2 million

SP Bronson Arroyo $3.8 million
RP Rheal Cormier $2.25 million
OF/IF Ryan Freel $1.7 million
IF Scott Hatteberg $1.65 million
C Javier Valentin $1.325 million
IF Juan Castro $1 million

The arbitration-eligible players:
pitchers Aaron Harang and Kyle Lohse and catcher David Ross...will get another $11 million or so. Even if everyone else on the roster made the big-league minimum, that would put the payroll at $65 million.
That would leave $10 million for shopping if the payroll went to $75 million. The Reds need a closer and a shortstop, and $10 million doesn't buy what it used to.

29 million dollars are tied up in Griffey, Milton, LaRue and Cormier.
That's my list of contracts that need a solution.

Unfortunately, Griffey is 10/5 and would have to be the perfect deal for Griffey, which may not be a deal benefitting the Reds.

As for Milton and LaRue, I think they are our most tradeable/expendible players on the list. Milton makes far too much money and has singlehandedly cornered the market on being often injured while putting up remarkably forgettable numbers. As for LaRue, he had a career 2005, and at the age of 32 will most likely never sniff that kind of production again.

Paying Juan Castro $1 Mil is a crime. Needs no explanation.

So, free up Milton and or LaRue, and we might have something.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:14 PM   #4
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

Of that list I would choose to trade all of them, but the only one that has any trade value is Dunn and its at a low right now. But heres a thought, what about this deal, with the Nationals(Bowden).

Reds trade: Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey

Nationals trade: Brad Wilkerson(of) and Chad Cordero(cl)

Cordero becomes our closer, while Wilkerson plays left, and allows us to sign some Fa's to play SP,Bench, and CF.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:48 PM   #5
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Of that list I would choose to trade all of them, but the only one that has any trade value is Dunn and its at a low right now. But heres a thought, what about this deal, with the Nationals(Bowden).

Reds trade: Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey

Nationals trade: Brad Wilkerson(of) and Chad Cordero(cl)

Cordero becomes our closer, while Wilkerson plays left, and allows us to sign some Fa's to play SP,Bench, and CF.
The Nationals traded Wilkerson last winter for Soriano. He disappointed in Texas BTW. 222/306/422/728 in one of the best hitters parks in baseball.
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Old 10-20-2006, 11:19 PM   #6
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

Good thread. These contracts almost assure failure or at best mediocrity. I'd like to blame them all on DanO and Bowden, but I can't.
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:12 AM   #7
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Good thread. These contracts almost assure failure or at best mediocrity. I'd like to blame them all on DanO and Bowden, but I can't.
So we are supposed to blame Krivsky for 8 million tied up? Almost half of that tied up into one of the best pitchers in the National League?

That list has nothing to do with Krivsky. Unless we are really complaining about less than five million dollars.
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Old 10-21-2006, 02:20 AM   #8
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Good thread. These contracts almost assure failure or at best mediocrity. I'd like to blame them all on DanO and Bowden, but I can't.
Arroyo, Cormier, and Castro are the only doing's of Krvisky.
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:45 AM   #9
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Of that list I would choose to trade all of them, but the only one that has any trade value is Dunn and its at a low right now. But heres a thought, what about this deal, with the Nationals(Bowden).

Reds trade: Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey

Nationals trade: Brad Wilkerson(of) and Chad Cordero(cl)

Cordero becomes our closer, while Wilkerson plays left, and allows us to sign some Fa's to play SP,Bench, and CF.
Honestly, you should put more thought into your trade ideas. I mean that's twice in one day that you have the Reds trading for players on the wrong teams. It's hard to take these ideas seriously.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:08 PM   #10
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

I think the present-day value of Griffey's contract is a couple of million dollars less because of the way the deferrals are believed to be funded. JaxRed worked up some numbers on that once but I don't remember the exact figure.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:08 PM   #11
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

I wouldn't throw Coffey in to that deal, we should be able to get both those guys for Dunn.

But it won't help the most glaring problem, starting pitching.
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Old 10-21-2006, 01:19 PM   #12
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

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The Reds have 10 players under contract for next season, making a total of $48.925 million:
OF Ken Griffey Jr. $12.5 million
OF Adam Dunn $10.5 million
SP Eric Milton $9 million
C Jason LaRue $5.2 million
SP Bronson Arroyo $3.8 million
RP Rheal Cormier $2.25 million
OF/IF Ryan Freel $1.7 million
IF Scott Hatteberg $1.65 million
C Javier Valentin $1.325 million
IF Juan Castro $1 million

The arbitration-eligible players:
pitchers Aaron Harang and Kyle Lohse and catcher David Ross...will get another $11 million or so. Even if everyone else on the roster made the big-league minimum, that would put the payroll at $65 million.
That would leave $10 million for shopping if the payroll went to $75 million. The Reds need a closer and a shortstop, and $10 million doesn't buy what it used to.

29 million dollars are tied up in Griffey, Milton, LaRue and Cormier.
39 If you include Dunn.
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Old 10-21-2006, 08:22 PM   #13
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39 If you include Dunn.
We get more out of Dunn's 10 then we do out of the other 29 combined.

My point was those 29 million were crappy.
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Old 10-21-2006, 08:24 PM   #14
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We get more out of Dunn's 10 then we do out of the other 29 combined.

My point was those 29 million were crappy.
The ability to move contracts matters no matter what.
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Old 10-21-2006, 03:44 PM   #15
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Re: Somebody who makes alot of $$$ is going to have to be traded

It's far from the biggest issue as far as contracts are concerned, but seeing Cormier's contract, and knowing that he was extended b/f he ever threw a pitch in Cincinnati, really burns me up.
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