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John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
Per John Fay's article..
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...30406/1082/SPT "Never draft for need: In 2002, the Reds were set on drafting a pitcher. But they brought in a chubby first baseman for a workout anyway. He sprayed line drives around the park and showed great power. The Reds drafted Chris Gruler third overall that year. The first baseman went seventh to Milwaukee. His name? Prince Fielder." What I am shocked about, yes knowing we could have had him, but knowing Griffey Jr was around him when he was young, you think his name would have came up and maybe Jr could have said to the Reds front office: YES draft him!! amazing how many good players this organization i the past let slip away: Prince Fielder, Derek Jeter to name two!! |
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09-23-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
It's so easy to do that. I remember when Fielder was drafted, and it was no deep, dark secret that he was a great prospect. I am sure the Reds liked him just fine. But, this organization ALWAYS needs pitching, and nobody knew at that time that Gruler was going to blow his arm out. Johnny Bench himself said Gruler's curve ball was better than Tom Seaver's, so you really can't hang that choice on the front office.
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09-23-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
They could have had Jeter at one point too....
Oops.
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09-23-2007, 01:36 PM
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09-23-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
I hope there are a number of teams that will say the same thing about Bruce in a few years.
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09-23-2007, 01:13 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
Gruler was ranked 7th overall by BA and Fielder was 24th. It's not like they passed up the #1 ranked guy overall for a guy ranked 50th.
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09-23-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
IT is always about "WHAT IF'S" Like what if last year, the Reds went out to the West Coast and did not fall flat on their face, them maybe they could have been the team to make the playoffs and win the World Series.
Every team has a list of What IF. What about the other 6 teams who did not draft Prince, are they possibly saying the same thing?
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09-23-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
I love that a lot of these "THEY SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED SUCH AND SUCH" articles are always about an offensive player..as if offense is why this team has stunk for 8 years.
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09-23-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
The Brewers went against the conventional wisdom picking up Fielder, mostly due to his weight issues.
That still doesn't excuse the drafting of Gruler. Rarely if ever do high school pitchers or college relievers warrant 7-figure bonuses.
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2002 Zack Greinke Jeff Francis Scott Kazmir Cole Hamels Matt Cain 2003 Chad Billingsley 2004 (these guys are barely 21 years old right now, but I bet the Reds and the Yankees are enjoying their money well spent right now) Homer Bailey Phil Hughes Sure, there were some flops in there.... but there were flops for college pitchers, hitters, relievers, everything. Thats how the MLB draft is.
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Bailey and Hughes are at an interesting place. Do you cash in on their value via trade, thereby getting a definitive return on the signing bonus, or do you hang onto them in the hope they can deliver in the majors? My guess is the Reds will do the latter with Bailey and the Yankees will do the former with Hughes (possibly as part of the return for Johan Santana).
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Re: John Fay's article today-- 2002 draft the Reds could have had.....?????
There's a dozen "what if" guys you could choose from the 2002 draft instead of Gruler. The two who got the most play around here at the time were Scott Kazmir and Jeff Francis. That Chris Gruler was ginned up to be something he wasn't when the Reds picked was fairly common knowledge at the time.
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