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DTCromer · 05-26-2008, 12:19 AM

First, let me say that SD is an awful team. We didn't face Chris Young or Jake Peavy and we still split the series.

But seriously, I see many posts blaming Corey Patterson and Dusty and others.

BUT, we pay a closer 14+ mil. a year to win ballgames in the 9th and he doesn't close it out.

Thanks CoCo. It's a good thing we spent some money on you. We should've just kept Weathers in the closer role and saved ourselves 46 million.

HeatherC1212 · 05-26-2008, 12:38 AM

You're giving a guy grief after only his SECOND blown save of the year?! Wow. Tough crowd this evening.

Cordero has been pretty lights out when he's had opportunities to close and the two blown saves he's had have come after he was used multiple days in a row with a lot of pitches in each one. IMO he should have never been in the game last night (I know he was all ready warmed up but someone else could have closed out the game last night when we added onto the run total at the top of the ninth inning) and then he would have been fresh today which could have had this game over in the 9th inning. I'm not going to give Cordero a hard time for only his second blown save of the entire season but I will give grief to the rest of the team for not getting any runs between the 10th and 18th innings even though guys kept getting on base. This game was just ugly all the way around and I'd rather forget it and move onto the next series.

jmac · 05-26-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HeatherC1212

You're giving a guy grief after only his SECOND blown save of the year?! Wow. Tough crowd this evening.

Cordero has been pretty lights out when he's had opportunities to close and the two blown saves he's had have come after he was used multiple days in a row with a lot of pitches in each one. IMO he should have never been in the game last night (I know he was all ready warmed up but someone else could have closed out the game last night when we added onto the run total at the top of the ninth inning) and then he would have been fresh today which could have had this game over in the 9th inning. I'm not going to give Cordero a hard time for only his second blown save of the entire season but I will give grief to the rest of the team for not getting any runs between the 10th and 18th innings even though guys kept getting on base. This game was just ugly all the way around and I'd rather forget it and move onto the next series.

You're right concerning Codero.
Two blown saves and each one while pitching 3 days in a row.
He shouldnt have been used in the saturday game. The rest of the BP worries me some.
Weathers/Lincoln seem to get hit on a consistent basis. Burton is consistently inconsistent. Fogg, well Dusty shows no faith in him at all. The BP does need some attention as does that CF position.(Calling Bruce)

Blue · 05-26-2008, 01:18 AM

A team shouldn't be forced to overcome the incompetence of its manager on a daily basis. That's what the Reds are trying to do day in and day out. The game probably would have been over after 9 innings if Bruce was playing and Patterson wasn't making automatic first pitch outs at the top of the lineup all day. Freel probably would have been sufficient.

It also probably would have been over before 18 innings had the offense not had to go 9 entire innings without its biggest contributor.

jhiller21 · 05-26-2008, 05:34 AM

Weathers gives me about as much confidence these days as Danny Graves as far as closers go.

Cordero is wild, but he gets the job done.

There was no reason to pitch him on Saturday with that lead, that's for sure.

texasdave · 05-26-2008, 08:51 AM

It is simple really. The Reds lost because Matt Belisle got 'unlucky'. Again. It is hard to believe that one pitcher could be so 'unlucky'. I mean check out his DIPS or FIPS or xFIPS or whatever. He is really good pitcher. Honest. And when he regresses up to the mean he will probably rip off about 15 wins in a row. Matt Belisle - Mister Unlucky.

ChatterRed · 05-26-2008, 10:52 AM

I don't blame Cordero. He had two straight saves with 2 K's in each 9th inning before last night. He has been lights out when used correctly. 2 blown saves? Give the guy a break.

Hondo · 05-26-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChatterRed

I don't blame Cordero. He had two straight saves with 2 K's in each 9th inning before last night. He has been lights out when used correctly. 2 blown saves? Give the guy a break.

I think some people are saying he is run out there for no reason what so ever... I think the first time he gave up a run as a Red was a game in which he was not needed. They were way out in front...

Dudepick is just incompetent

Orodle · 05-26-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DTCromer

First, let me say that SD is an awful team. We didn't face Chris Young or Jake Peavy and we still split the series.

But seriously, I see many posts blaming Corey Patterson and Dusty and others.

BUT, we pay a closer 14+ mil. a year to win ballgames in the 9th and he doesn't close it out.

Thanks CoCo. It's a good thing we spent some money on you. We should've just kept Weathers in the closer role and saved ourselves 46 million.

CoCo isn't Rivera and should'nt be expected to never blow a save. However, comparing him to Weathers is pretty rediculous. Using the arguement that we pay him 14mill to get the job done is pretty out there. Lets pay you 14mill and see how many saves you blow.

scounts22 · 05-26-2008, 11:37 AM

Bringing in Fogg was, I feel, the stupidest move of all. Why in God's name would you bring HIM in with only a 2 run lead???

CesarGeronimo · 05-26-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scounts22

Bringing in Fogg was, I feel, the stupidest move of all. Why in God's name would you bring HIM in with only a 2 run lead???

I agree completely. I expected to see Bray, but out came Josh Fogg. Dusty threw away a win with that move.

CySeymour · 05-27-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CesarGeronimo

I agree completely. I expected to see Bray, but out came Josh Fogg. Dusty threw away a win with that move.

I second this. Plus, then it forced Dusty to use a two starters. Yeah, I don't like Fogg, either, but in extra innings, when you bring your long man in, you bring him in to pitch a long time, not just 2/3 of an inning. Yeah, they would have lost with him in, but they lost anyway and could have really screwed up Harang and Voltron. Dusty, you mean after all these years of managing, you still have no idea how to use your bullpen?

Hondo · 05-26-2008, 02:34 PM

What was the reasoning even behind brining Fogg in? I really do not get that. There is absolutley no reason for it? None. I mean, what was he thinking?

Hondo · 05-26-2008, 02:37 PM

I want to Add something... The moves made yesterday were almost made to Lose the game...

Anyone thought of that?

yab1112 · 05-26-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo

I want to Add something... The moves made yesterday were almost made to Lose the game...

Anyone thought of that?

No.

05-26-2008, 12:19 AM	#1
DTCromer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,325	Why we lost today First, let me say that SD is an awful team. We didn't face Chris Young or Jake Peavy and we still split the series. But seriously, I see many posts blaming Corey Patterson and Dusty and others. BUT, we pay a closer 14+ mil. a year to win ballgames in the 9th and he doesn't close it out. Thanks CoCo. It's a good thing we spent some money on you. We should've just kept Weathers in the closer role and saved ourselves 46 million.

05-26-2008, 12:38 AM	#2
HeatherC1212 Joey Votto Fangirl Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,512	Re: Why we lost today You're giving a guy grief after only his SECOND blown save of the year?! Wow. Tough crowd this evening. Cordero has been pretty lights out when he's had opportunities to close and the two blown saves he's had have come after he was used multiple days in a row with a lot of pitches in each one. IMO he should have never been in the game last night (I know he was all ready warmed up but someone else could have closed out the game last night when we added onto the run total at the top of the ninth inning) and then he would have been fresh today which could have had this game over in the 9th inning. I'm not going to give Cordero a hard time for only his second blown save of the entire season but I will give grief to the rest of the team for not getting any runs between the 10th and 18th innings even though guys kept getting on base. This game was just ugly all the way around and I'd rather forget it and move onto the next series. __________________ "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

05-26-2008, 01:18 AM	#4
Blue Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,344	Re: Why we lost today A team shouldn't be forced to overcome the incompetence of its manager on a daily basis. That's what the Reds are trying to do day in and day out. The game probably would have been over after 9 innings if Bruce was playing and Patterson wasn't making automatic first pitch outs at the top of the lineup all day. Freel probably would have been sufficient. It also probably would have been over before 18 innings had the offense not had to go 9 entire innings without its biggest contributor. __________________ FIRE DUSTY BAKER ADOPT THIS SIGNATURE IN SOLIDARITY!!!

05-26-2008, 05:34 AM	#5
jhiller21 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 992	Re: Why we lost today Weathers gives me about as much confidence these days as Danny Graves as far as closers go. Cordero is wild, but he gets the job done. There was no reason to pitch him on Saturday with that lead, that's for sure.

05-26-2008, 08:51 AM	#6
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,528	Re: Why we lost today It is simple really. The Reds lost because Matt Belisle got 'unlucky'. Again. It is hard to believe that one pitcher could be so 'unlucky'. I mean check out his DIPS or FIPS or xFIPS or whatever. He is really good pitcher. Honest. And when he regresses up to the mean he will probably rip off about 15 wins in a row. Matt Belisle - Mister Unlucky.

05-26-2008, 10:52 AM	#7
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Re: Why we lost today I don't blame Cordero. He had two straight saves with 2 K's in each 9th inning before last night. He has been lights out when used correctly. 2 blown saves? Give the guy a break. __________________ Who's on first?

05-26-2008, 11:37 AM	#10
scounts22 Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 474	Re: Why we lost today Bringing in Fogg was, I feel, the stupidest move of all. Why in God's name would you bring HIM in with only a 2 run lead???

05-26-2008, 02:34 PM	#13
Hondo Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Weatherford, Texas Posts: 2,124	Re: Why we lost today What was the reasoning even behind brining Fogg in? I really do not get that. There is absolutley no reason for it? None. I mean, what was he thinking?

05-26-2008, 02:37 PM	#14
Hondo Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Weatherford, Texas Posts: 2,124	Re: Why we lost today I want to Add something... The moves made yesterday were almost made to Lose the game... Anyone thought of that?

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