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redsmetz · 12-16-2008, 05:45 AM

Just saw this today, that the Phillies signed Jamie Moyer to a two year guaranteed deal. Moyer turned 46 in November.

Mario-Rijo · 12-16-2008, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by redsmetz

Just saw this today, that the Phillies signed Jamie Moyer to a two year guaranteed deal. Moyer turned 46 in November.

Good grief Charlie Brown!

redsmetz · 12-16-2008, 06:17 AM

Here's the story from the Philadelphia Inquirer:

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Phillies' Moyer signs two-year deal
By Todd Zolecki

Inquirer Staff Writer

The Phillies will introduce Raul Ibanez as their leftfielder today at a news conference at Citizens Bank Park.

> They welcomed back Jamie Moyer yesterday.

> The Phillies signed Moyer to a two-year, $13 million contract that will pay him $6.5 million in both 2009 and 2010. The deal includes awards and performance bonuses.

> The return of Moyer and the arrival of Ibanez and righthander Chan Ho Park - the Phillies have reached a tentative agreement with Park pending a physical he is expected to take next month - signal that most of the team's serious off-season business is finished. The Phillies could add a piece or two before spring training opens in February, but unless something drastic happens, this looks like the team the Phillies will take into 2009 to defend their World Series championship.

> "We have as good a chance of repeating a world championship as anybody," Moyer said in a conference call with reporters. "It's going to be a competitive race. I'm not going out predicting that we are going to win, but we have as good a chance as any other club out there. It's not like we've lost four or five players to free agency and key players and things like that."

> "I think that we're pretty good," Charlie Manuel said.

> The New York Mets made themselves much more formidable when they signed closer Francisco Rodriguez and traded for setup man J.J. Putz. Rodriguez recently called the Mets the team to beat. Cole Hamels said last week on New York radio that the Mets have been choke artists the last two seasons.

> Should be fun.

> "I think what Cole said wasn't that bad if you sit and listen to how it came out," Manuel said. "I think people took it kind of the way they wanted to. If you want to take it and run with it, well, go ahead. But if you look at it from a realistic standpoint, they're always saying that the Mets choked, and we were lucky enough to be sitting there to catch them. I think over the last two seasons, that's definitely misleading, because we went 13-4 both years."

> The Phillies' rotation will include Hamels, Moyer, Brett Myers and Joe Blanton, with Kyle Kendrick, J.A. Happ, Carlos Carrasco, Drew Carpenter and Park expected to compete for the fifth spot. Adam Eaton? His days appear numbered. The Phillies tried to give him (and his $8.5 million contract) away last week during the winter meetings in Las Vegas, but found no takers. They were willing to pay all but about a million.

> The bullpen also appears set, with Brad Lidge, Ryan Madson, J.C. Romero, Chad Durbin, Scott Eyre, Clay Condrey and Park, assuming he doesn't make the rotation. The Korea Times reported Park had agreed to a one-year, $2.5 million contract with bonuses that could increase its value to $5 million.

> The Phillies' everyday eight also is set: Carlos Ruiz, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Pedro Feliz, Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino, Jayson Werth and Ibanez.

> The bench will include Geoff Jenkins, Matt Stairs, Greg Dobbs, Eric Bruntlett, and Ronny Paulino or Chris Coste. The Phillies recently acquired Paulino from the Pittsburgh Pirates. He is expected to compete with Coste to be Ruiz's backup, although the Florida Marlins have interest in Coste.

> If the Phillies make another move, it could be adding a righthanded bat to the bench to give Manuel more options late in the game. That might mean moving Jenkins or Stairs.

> But the Phillies were pleased to finally get a deal done with Moyer. General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. acknowledged the risk in signing the 46-year-old lefthander to a two-year contract. But Amaro pointed out that Moyer is one of the best conditioned players on the team. Moyer, who went 16-7 last season, said he would use the second year of the guaranteed contract to motivate him in 2009.

> Negotiations with Moyer seemed to take longer than expected, but he said he never felt he wouldn't return.

> "Things moved along smoothly," he said. "It's all about timing. I think the timing is right. Everything got resolved. I'm happy to be back in Philadelphia to defend our World Series championship. I'm excited about our club."

> It is a club whose roster appears mostly set.

Stewie · 12-16-2008, 07:40 AM

Ruben Amaro was an Ed Wade protege, and sadly a lot of the moves he has made so far this off-season have had a very Wade-ian quality to them:

-Giving up a first rounder and backloading a deal for a 37 year old Raul Ibanez, while letting Pat Burrell leave for free
-Signing Chan Ho Park and saying he has a shot at starting -- a role he hasn't had success in since 2001
-Now giving a guaranteed deal to a 46 year old pitcher.

Obviously the word "guaranteed" is the worst part of this deal. A one year deal with a club option for a second would have been fine. But alas, no such luck.

remdog · 12-16-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Ruben Amaro was an Ed Wade protege, and sadly a lot of the moves he has made so far this off-season have had a very Wade-ian quality to them:

-Giving up a first rounder and backloading a deal for a 37 year old Raul Ibanez, while letting Pat Burrell leave for free
-Signing Chan Ho Park and saying he has a shot at starting -- a role he hasn't had success in since 2001
-Now giving a guaranteed deal to a 46 year old pitcher.

Obviously the word "guaranteed" is the worst part of this deal. A one year deal with a club option for a second would have been fine. But alas, no such luck.

I feel your pain Stewie. Unfortunately, that is the plight of a Reds fan in the aughts.

Rem

blumj · 12-16-2008, 08:45 AM

It's 2 years at $13M total? $6.5M a year? That's a big enough discount on market value that I don't see any problem with the 2 year guarantee. A one year deal should have cost them $10+M, anyway.

REDREAD · 12-16-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blumj

It's 2 years at $13M total? $6.5M a year? That's a big enough discount on market value that I don't see any problem with the 2 year guarantee. A one year deal should have cost them $10+M, anyway.

Yes, it's kind of similiar to our Rhodes deal. One can look at Rhodes as 4 million for the first year, second year free.

I agree, at that $$ figure, two years for Moyer isn't bad.

Also, on Ibanez vs Burrell. The Phils, as defending champions were obligated to get a decent LF. Ibanez is a downgrade for sure, but perhaps they see the team being torn down in 2 years and rebuilt anyhow. Maybe they didn't want to be burdened with a 6-7 year deal for Burrell. I imagine that's what Burrell was asking for. He may not get it, but I'm sure he wanted something in the neighborhood of what Carlos Lee got (as will Dunn). Downgrading LF will certainly hurt their chances of repeating next year, but long term, Ibanez may be a smarter deal. And of course, I don't know much about Burrell, but maybe the guy just wanted out of there.

dfs · 12-16-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blumj

It's 2 years at $13M total? $6.5M a year? That's a big enough discount on market value that I don't see any problem with the 2 year guarantee. A one year deal should have cost them $10+M, anyway.

oh....I thought they were crazy, but for that money you have to wonder why they didn't add an option year or such.

camisadelgolf · 12-16-2008, 09:37 AM

It's nice to see Moyer continue his 50-year journey to the Hall of Fame. I'll be rooting for him.

MrCinatit · 12-16-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

It's nice to see Moyer continue his 50-year journey to the Hall of Fame. I'll be rooting for him.

Sure, he could be heading towards the Hall, but by the time he retires, he'll be so old that he'll have no idea what's going on. Might think it's a party for his 100th.

KoryMac5 · 12-16-2008, 10:37 AM

Age is not relevant in any discussion about Moyer in that he has been rolling junk up there for the last 5 seasons. Another couple of years won't have that much of an effect on the stuff Moyer throws. He takes good care of himself and is still productive at 45 years old. He went 16-7 last year in 196 innings. I would imagine he will be good for another double digit win this upcoming season.

Falls City Beer · 12-16-2008, 12:56 PM

I don't think Ibanez is a total stiff or anything. He's better than a lot of options out there. However, $10 million a season seems maybe a little high.

oneupper · 12-16-2008, 05:18 PM

The Phillies are World Series Champs, so nothing really matters.
They can be happy with that and no one can take it away from them (until October).

The core is still good...they can compete.

camisadelgolf · 12-16-2008, 06:44 PM

RedEye · 12-16-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Where did you get this? It is absolutely brilliant!

12-16-2008, 05:45 AM	#1
redsmetz Redsmetz Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Winton Place Posts: 10,451	Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal Just saw this today, that the Phillies signed Jamie Moyer to a two year guaranteed deal. Moyer turned 46 in November. __________________ “In the same way that a baseball season never really begins, it never really ends either.” - Lonnie Wheeler, "Bleachers, A Summer in Wrigley Field" The Baseball Emporium - Books & Things, that's Rallyonion.com The Baseball Bookstore http://tsc-sales.com/ http://tscsales.blogspot.com/ http://silverscreenbooks.com/

12-16-2008, 07:40 AM	#4
Stewie Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 436	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal Ruben Amaro was an Ed Wade protege, and sadly a lot of the moves he has made so far this off-season have had a very Wade-ian quality to them: -Giving up a first rounder and backloading a deal for a 37 year old Raul Ibanez, while letting Pat Burrell leave for free -Signing Chan Ho Park and saying he has a shot at starting -- a role he hasn't had success in since 2001 -Now giving a guaranteed deal to a 46 year old pitcher. Obviously the word "guaranteed" is the worst part of this deal. A one year deal with a club option for a second would have been fine. But alas, no such luck.

12-16-2008, 08:45 AM	#6
blumj Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,332	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal It's 2 years at $13M total? $6.5M a year? That's a big enough discount on market value that I don't see any problem with the 2 year guarantee. A one year deal should have cost them $10+M, anyway. __________________ "Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons

12-16-2008, 09:37 AM	#9
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal It's nice to see Moyer continue his 50-year journey to the Hall of Fame. I'll be rooting for him.

12-16-2008, 10:37 AM	#11
KoryMac5 Kmac5 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waterloo, NY Posts: 3,661	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal Age is not relevant in any discussion about Moyer in that he has been rolling junk up there for the last 5 seasons. Another couple of years won't have that much of an effect on the stuff Moyer throws. He takes good care of himself and is still productive at 45 years old. He went 16-7 last year in 196 innings. I would imagine he will be good for another double digit win this upcoming season. __________________ If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

12-16-2008, 12:56 PM	#12
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal I don't think Ibanez is a total stiff or anything. He's better than a lot of options out there. However, $10 million a season seems maybe a little high.

12-16-2008, 05:18 PM	#13
oneupper Danger is my business! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Back in Florida Posts: 7,852	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal The Phillies are World Series Champs, so nothing really matters. They can be happy with that and no one can take it away from them (until October). The core is still good...they can compete. __________________ "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." http://dalmady.blogspot.com

12-16-2008, 06:44 PM	#14
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Phillies sign 46 year old Moyer to 2 year deal

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