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camisadelgolf · 11-02-2009, 08:18 PM

It's that time of year when teams are deciding which players to keep around and let go. Who would you like to see the Reds release so they can give more opportunity to other players in the organization? Here's my list:

UT Ryan Doran
IF Kevyn Feiner
C Korey Feiner
RP Jerry Gil
RP Junior Martinez
IF Luis Bolivar
OF Stephen Chapman
OF Lew Ford
3B Bill Stramp
UT Wes Bankston
SS Shane Carlson
SP Luis Montano
RP Zach Ward
RP Federico Baez
RP Greg Atencio
RP Mark James
RP Samuel Vasquez
RP Waldy Sierra

GOYA · 11-02-2009, 09:03 PM

Wilken Castillo - maybe give him one more quick look. Maybe not.

Michael Griffin - good glove man but that's it. I like him but business is business.

Eric Eymann - he's had his chance and hasn't made anything of it.

mth123 · 11-02-2009, 09:20 PM

Tom Cochran
Rafael Gonzalez (not Rodriguez)
Ben Davis
Jeff Kenard
Lee Tabor
Derrick Lutz

Mario-Rijo · 11-02-2009, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mth123

Tom Cochran
Rafael Gonzalez (not Rodriguez)
Ben Davis
Jeff Kenard
Lee Tabor
Derrick Lutz

Why?

mth123 · 11-02-2009, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Why?

Lutz was bad in 2008 and injured for most of 09. I guess he could try to come back he's still onky 25, but I'm not optimistic and the Reds have a logjam in the high minors. I'd prefer to sign a reclamation starter or two for AAA and move guys like Lecure, Ramirez and Smit into the pen where they may have a chance. I just don't see room for Lutz.

RED VAN HOT · 11-02-2009, 10:44 PM

Shane Carlson?... a 2009 draftee with only 151 AB's.... mighty quick trigger on that one.

Mario-Rijo · 11-03-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mth123

Lutz was bad in 2008 and injured for most of 09. I guess he could try to come back he's still onky 25, but I'm not optimistic and the Reds have a logjam in the high minors. I'd prefer to sign a reclamation starter or two for AAA and move guys like Lecure, Ramirez and Smit into the pen where they may have a chance. I just don't see room for Lutz.

He will be 25 in april so I get that but he's been in the program only 4 seasons (and as you say was hurt most of this season) and has had good numbers. Has had those good numbers mostly due to his strength which is a high GB% arm. Why toss that away when you don't have too? It's not as if like alot of these other mentioned guys he lacks Major League level talent.

mace · 11-02-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mth123

Tom Cochran
Rafael Gonzalez (not Rodriguez)
Ben Davis
Jeff Kenard
Lee Tabor
Derrick Lutz

Tabor had a little run last year in Carolina when they put him in the rotation and he was lights-out. Then he was promoted to Louisville and acquitted himself pretty well in relief. All told, he had a 3.60 ERA with a 1.31 WHIP. I don't see that as a season that gets you released. Especially a lefty.

camisadelgolf · 11-02-2009, 09:28 PM

I agree that Wilkin Castillo needs to be dropped from the 40-man roster, but if he can be outrighted to AAA, I think it would be a good move.
Having both Eric Eymann and Mike Griffin is kind of redundant, but I wouldn't mind keeping the better one, whoever that is.
I'm surprised that Lee Tabor was mentioned. He doesn't blow anyone away, but he does pretty well against left-handed hitters.
Jeff Kennard might have had a fluke year, but I'm not sure I'd write him off just yet.
Ben Davis' career is probably ending anyway, but I don't think it'd hurt to keep him around on a A+ or AA team.
I'm not too optimistic about Tom Cochran, but I'd like to see a little more of him before letting him go.

Who is Rafael Rodriguez? Did you mean Ramon Rodriguez, the pitcher from Panama?

mth123 · 11-02-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

I agree that Wilkin Castillo needs to be dropped from the 40-man roster, but if he can be outrighted to AAA, I think it would be a good move.
Having both Eric Eymann and Mike Griffin is kind of redundant, but I wouldn't mind keeping the better one, whoever that is.
I'm surprised that Lee Tabor was mentioned. He doesn't blow anyone away, but he does pretty well against left-handed hitters.
Jeff Kennard might have had a fluke year, but I'm not sure I'd write him off just yet.
Ben Davis' career is probably ending anyway, but I don't think it'd hurt to keep him around on a A+ or AA team.
I'm not too optimistic about Tom Cochran, but I'd like to see a little more of him before letting him go.

Who is Rafael Rodriguez? Did you mean Ramon Rodriguez, the pitcher from Panama?

No, I meant Rafael Gonzalez and had a brain cramp.

GOYA · 11-02-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Jeff Kennard might have had a fluke year, but I'm not sure I'd write him off just yet.

If it was a fluke, it was fluke half-year. The first part of the season, all he had was a good fastball. We know what happens to pitchers that only have a fastball. But his other pitches started working mid-season. And although I have nothing to base it on, it wouldn't surprise me if Lehr had something to do with his turnaround. But, Power does a very good job himself.

I was ready to write Tabor off last season but he seemed to find his stride. And I almost mentioned Tom Cochran.

Az. Reds Fan · 11-02-2009, 10:55 PM

Bill Stramp?...another 2009 draftee with only 50 AB's due to injury, struggled in those 50 AB's, but it's 50 AB's nonetheless. I'd give the kid a little more time

REDblooded · 11-02-2009, 11:02 PM

Kevin Barker at 34 years old...

GIDP · 11-03-2009, 12:16 AM

is Darnell McDonald still on a roster?

mth123 · 11-03-2009, 04:34 AM

Depending on the health of some guys, its going to be pretty crowded in the high minors.

In AAA the rotation will probably include Wood, Jukich, Lecure, Klinker and a reclamation project/vet for insurance. The pen looks to include one of Fisher or Ramirez, with Viola, Ondrusek, Del Rosario, Thompson, Watson and Bray. At AA, the rotation might include Horst, Buck, Smith, Smit and Avery or Carroll. The pen probably has Valiquette, Krebs, Thurman, Geronimo, Medina, Carroll or one of the other starters, maybe Pawelek. Guys like Castro, Infante, Joseph, Leake, Boxberger and Fairel will all hit those levels at some point. Terrell Young probably fits in somewhere. Below AA the team needs room for some younger guys like Serrano, Pearl, Sulbarren, Tuttle, Lotzkar, etc.

I just like all those guys better than Tabor and Lutz, but they could be kept around until spring for sure. Some of these are bound to come up lame and others could be dealt off or promoted to backfill for some one else who is dealt which might leave room for a guy like Tabor. Some may be lost in the minor league portion of rule 5. I'd just like to see the Reds bring a starter or two in for AAA as insurance for the big league team and as a lottery ticket for finding a guy (I'm talking about major leaguers who will probably be available on the cheap and need a restart like Noah Lowry, Boof Bonser, etc). That may push guys like Smit, Avery and Lecure to the pen. Lutz and Tabor just don't fit in the numbers game IMO if all those guys are back and pitching.

11-02-2009, 08:18 PM	#1
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Who Do You Want to See Cut? It's that time of year when teams are deciding which players to keep around and let go. Who would you like to see the Reds release so they can give more opportunity to other players in the organization? Here's my list: UT Ryan Doran IF Kevyn Feiner C Korey Feiner RP Jerry Gil RP Junior Martinez IF Luis Bolivar OF Stephen Chapman OF Lew Ford 3B Bill Stramp UT Wes Bankston SS Shane Carlson SP Luis Montano RP Zach Ward RP Federico Baez RP Greg Atencio RP Mark James RP Samuel Vasquez RP Waldy Sierra

11-02-2009, 09:03 PM	#2
GOYA Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 5,143	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Wilken Castillo - maybe give him one more quick look. Maybe not. Michael Griffin - good glove man but that's it. I like him but business is business. Eric Eymann - he's had his chance and hasn't made anything of it.

11-02-2009, 09:20 PM	#3
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,659	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Tom Cochran Rafael Gonzalez (not Rodriguez) Ben Davis Jeff Kenard Lee Tabor Derrick Lutz __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS Last edited by mth123; 11-02-2009 at 09:36 PM.

11-02-2009, 10:44 PM	#6
RED VAN HOT Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 928	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Shane Carlson?... a 2009 draftee with only 151 AB's.... mighty quick trigger on that one.

11-02-2009, 09:28 PM	#9
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? I agree that Wilkin Castillo needs to be dropped from the 40-man roster, but if he can be outrighted to AAA, I think it would be a good move. Having both Eric Eymann and Mike Griffin is kind of redundant, but I wouldn't mind keeping the better one, whoever that is. I'm surprised that Lee Tabor was mentioned. He doesn't blow anyone away, but he does pretty well against left-handed hitters. Jeff Kennard might have had a fluke year, but I'm not sure I'd write him off just yet. Ben Davis' career is probably ending anyway, but I don't think it'd hurt to keep him around on a A+ or AA team. I'm not too optimistic about Tom Cochran, but I'd like to see a little more of him before letting him go. Who is Rafael Rodriguez? Did you mean Ramon Rodriguez, the pitcher from Panama?

11-02-2009, 10:55 PM	#12
Az. Reds Fan Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 578	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Bill Stramp?...another 2009 draftee with only 50 AB's due to injury, struggled in those 50 AB's, but it's 50 AB's nonetheless. I'd give the kid a little more time

11-02-2009, 11:02 PM	#13
REDblooded Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,119	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Kevin Barker at 34 years old... __________________ 2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays) Bryce Brentz Brandon Workman Kris Bryant Matt Lipka Rick Hague

11-03-2009, 12:16 AM	#14
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? is Darnell McDonald still on a roster?

11-03-2009, 04:34 AM	#15
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,659	Re: Who Do You Want to See Cut? Depending on the health of some guys, its going to be pretty crowded in the high minors. In AAA the rotation will probably include Wood, Jukich, Lecure, Klinker and a reclamation project/vet for insurance. The pen looks to include one of Fisher or Ramirez, with Viola, Ondrusek, Del Rosario, Thompson, Watson and Bray. At AA, the rotation might include Horst, Buck, Smith, Smit and Avery or Carroll. The pen probably has Valiquette, Krebs, Thurman, Geronimo, Medina, Carroll or one of the other starters, maybe Pawelek. Guys like Castro, Infante, Joseph, Leake, Boxberger and Fairel will all hit those levels at some point. Terrell Young probably fits in somewhere. Below AA the team needs room for some younger guys like Serrano, Pearl, Sulbarren, Tuttle, Lotzkar, etc. I just like all those guys better than Tabor and Lutz, but they could be kept around until spring for sure. Some of these are bound to come up lame and others could be dealt off or promoted to backfill for some one else who is dealt which might leave room for a guy like Tabor. Some may be lost in the minor league portion of rule 5. I'd just like to see the Reds bring a starter or two in for AAA as insurance for the big league team and as a lottery ticket for finding a guy (I'm talking about major leaguers who will probably be available on the cheap and need a restart like Noah Lowry, Boof Bonser, etc). That may push guys like Smit, Avery and Lecure to the pen. Lutz and Tabor just don't fit in the numbers game IMO if all those guys are back and pitching. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS Last edited by mth123; 11-03-2009 at 04:42 AM.

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