Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

camisadelgolf · 04-26-2010, 03:49 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/n...-or-themselves

Just scroll down to the Around the Horn portion.

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Reds manager Dusty Baker asked management about a contract extension, according to a major-league source, but evidently the team is not yet ready to decide upon his future.

Baker, in the last year of his deal, could be replaced if the Reds continue to flounder.

Ghosts of 1990 · 04-26-2010, 03:55 PM

I'm glad to know that he is interested in the continuation of his employment here though, and not packing it in like some have suggested.

Brutus · 04-26-2010, 03:56 PM

"Are you confident in the 'I Love You' return? Because if you don't get that return, that's a pretty big matzo ball hanging out there."

Homer Bailey · 04-26-2010, 04:03 PM

I can honestly not think of one reason why I would want Dusty to return. Honestly, not one. Sure, he's not to blame for everything. Maybe he shouldn't be blamed for any of it. But I don't see how bringing him back next year will help this team at all. It just doesn't seem like a good fit. Dusty is a great guy, and I thoroughly enjoyed the one conversation that I had with him, but I do NOT want him as the Reds manager past 2010.

Ron Madden · 04-27-2010, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

I can honestly not think of one reason why I would want Dusty to return. Honestly, not one. Sure, he's not to blame for everything. Maybe he shouldn't be blamed for any of it. But I don't see how bringing him back next year will help this team at all. It just doesn't seem like a good fit. Dusty is a great guy, and I thoroughly enjoyed the one conversation that I had with him, but I do NOT want him as the Reds manager past 2010.

That might be because there is no good reason to want Dusty to return.

Will M · 04-27-2010, 04:00 AM

How about an incentivized contract for a manager? say base $1M. for every game won over 81 you get an extra $100K. then an extra $250K for each playoff round won?

go 76-86: no bonus. just the $1M (a very nice chunk of change)
go 86-76: $1.5M
go 91-71 & win the first playoff round: $2.25M

Dusty is getting $3M a year. Thats more than most folks make in their entire life. seems a bit high as a base salary.

LincolnparkRed · 04-26-2010, 04:04 PM

He pulled the same thing in Chicago at the end of 2005 and in spring training, then DLee got hurt early in 2006 and all his talk about extensions stopped. It moved on to the "injuries dude" until they fired him in August or September

westofyou · 04-26-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LincolnparkRed

He pulled the same thing in Chicago at the end of 2005 and in spring training, then DLee got hurt early in 2006 and all his talk about extensions stopped. It moved on to the "injuries dude" until they fired him in August or September

He also had an extension tussle in his last year in SF, mostly owner based not GM, he didn't get it... he took the team to the WS though.

RedsManRick · 04-26-2010, 04:13 PM

While it's good news on the surface of it, it leaves me a bit concerned. If Dusty is worried about his job security come August/September, how likely is he to prioritize the short term wins and losses compared to the long term implications of pushing his players hard? History suggests Dusty prefers to play for the immediate return. Not good. If the Reds don't intend to bring him back, I'd love to see him sent on his way sooner rather than later solely for the sake of our young pitchers' arms.

flyer85 · 04-26-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

History suggests Dusty prefers to play for the immediate return.

always been that way, it's why he was never a good fit. However, the FO has never admitted to a youth movement and pointing a few years out in the future.

TheNext44 · 04-26-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

While it's good news on the surface of it, it leaves me a bit concerned. If Dusty is worried about his job security come August/September, how likely is he to prioritize the short term wins and losses compared to the long term implications of pushing his players hard? History suggests Dusty prefers to play for the immediate return. Not good. If the Reds don't intend to bring him back, I'd love to see him sent on his way sooner rather than later solely for the sake of our young pitchers' arms.

Yeah, but he seems to play for the immediate return regardless of his contract situation. Prior, Zambrano and Wood were pitching 130+ pitch games during Baker's first year with the Cubs.

I'm not sure it will be any more of a concern than it was the last two years.

RedsManRick · 04-26-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNext44

Yeah, but he seems to play for the immediate return regardless of his contract situation. Prior, Zambrano and Wood were pitching 130+ pitch games during Baker's first year with the Cubs.

I'm not sure it will be any more of a concern than it was the last two years.

Fair point. Best to just get rid of him now regardless.

jojo · 04-27-2010, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

While it's good news on the surface of it, it leaves me a bit concerned. If Dusty is worried about his job security come August/September, how likely is he to prioritize the short term wins and losses compared to the long term implications of pushing his players hard? History suggests Dusty prefers to play for the immediate return. Not good. If the Reds don't intend to bring him back, I'd love to see him sent on his way sooner rather than later solely for the sake of our young pitchers' arms.

Or maybe he's likely to refuse to talk to the media following a game more often....

Scrap Irony · 04-26-2010, 05:08 PM

I'm glad to know the front office isn't willing to rubber stamp an extension. If Baker is fired, it'll be really interesting to see who the candidates would be. Will Jocketty go old-school or will he try someone new?

lollipopcurve · 04-26-2010, 05:10 PM

Something to watch. Right now I have to question if Baker's refusal to meet the media -- an extremely unusual move by a major league manager -- reflects some instability on his part that may be related to his having been turned down. Pure, idle speculation, for sure, but you have to think that getting a rejection like that has to affect one's attitude, especially if the prospect of another losing season -- he hasn't had a winning team in a while -- begins to loom larger.

04-26-2010, 03:55 PM	#2
Ghosts of 1990 The Future is Now Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,882	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? I'm glad to know that he is interested in the continuation of his employment here though, and not packing it in like some have suggested. __________________ 2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4 2013 Attendance Record: 1-1

04-26-2010, 03:56 PM	#3
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,928	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? "Are you confident in the 'I Love You' return? Because if you don't get that return, that's a pretty big matzo ball hanging out there." __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

04-26-2010, 04:03 PM	#4
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,595	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? I can honestly not think of one reason why I would want Dusty to return. Honestly, not one. Sure, he's not to blame for everything. Maybe he shouldn't be blamed for any of it. But I don't see how bringing him back next year will help this team at all. It just doesn't seem like a good fit. Dusty is a great guy, and I thoroughly enjoyed the one conversation that I had with him, but I do NOT want him as the Reds manager past 2010.

04-27-2010, 04:00 AM	#6
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? How about an incentivized contract for a manager? say base $1M. for every game won over 81 you get an extra $100K. then an extra $250K for each playoff round won? go 76-86: no bonus. just the $1M (a very nice chunk of change) go 86-76: $1.5M go 91-71 & win the first playoff round: $2.25M Dusty is getting $3M a year. Thats more than most folks make in their entire life. seems a bit high as a base salary. __________________ .

04-26-2010, 04:04 PM	#7
LincolnparkRed Designated Threadkiller Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,789	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? He pulled the same thing in Chicago at the end of 2005 and in spring training, then DLee got hurt early in 2006 and all his talk about extensions stopped. It moved on to the "injuries dude" until they fired him in August or September __________________ Climbing down from the bridge, but keeping the torch lit until Dusty's fate is settled

04-26-2010, 04:13 PM	#9
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,910	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? While it's good news on the surface of it, it leaves me a bit concerned. If Dusty is worried about his job security come August/September, how likely is he to prioritize the short term wins and losses compared to the long term implications of pushing his players hard? History suggests Dusty prefers to play for the immediate return. Not good. If the Reds don't intend to bring him back, I'd love to see him sent on his way sooner rather than later solely for the sake of our young pitchers' arms. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

04-26-2010, 05:08 PM	#14
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? I'm glad to know the front office isn't willing to rubber stamp an extension. If Baker is fired, it'll be really interesting to see who the candidates would be. Will Jocketty go old-school or will he try someone new? __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

04-26-2010, 05:10 PM	#15
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,477	Re: Dusty Interested in Extension? Reds Declined? Something to watch. Right now I have to question if Baker's refusal to meet the media -- an extremely unusual move by a major league manager -- reflects some instability on his part that may be related to his having been turned down. Pure, idle speculation, for sure, but you have to think that getting a rejection like that has to affect one's attitude, especially if the prospect of another losing season -- he hasn't had a winning team in a while -- begins to loom larger. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

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