Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

dougdirt · 10-12-2010, 12:56 PM

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...0/2610779.html

Aroldis Chapman came in at #3, while Yonder Alonso came in at #12. Here is the league's Top 5:
1. Carlos Santana, c, Columbus Clippers (Indians)
2. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp, Durham Bulls (Rays)
3. Aroldis Chapman, lhp, Louisville Bats (Reds)
4. Jesus Montero, c, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees
5. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Gwinnett Braves

New Fever · 10-12-2010, 03:46 PM

Some questions from the chat:

Kyle (Oxford): How did Travis Wood miss the list? You had to be impressed with the numbers he posted in Louisville and the job he did down the stretch for Cincinnati. Do you think he settles in as a number 3 starter?

John Wagner: Miss the list? Too many guys in front of him. He's 21-29 this year and on the list most other years. I was impressed, but I'd like to see him repeat it. And we haven't seen MLB hitters adjust to him; when they do, I believe they'll have success, and he'll need to adjust. Watch that adjustment, and you'll see if he belongs. Personally, I'd say he's a STRONG #4-#5 starter.

New Fever · 10-12-2010, 03:48 PM

GC (Newport, KY): Thoughts on Zack Cozart?

John Wagner: Sorry this is in the lightning round ... Both he and Valaika are intriguing. Cozart gets the nod because he is the shortstop. Cozart's hitting was a bit of a surprise, and if he can keep that going he'll be in MLB. Most years, Cozart would have been in the IL's Top 20. This year, 21-29 ...

Donnie (Cincinnati): Juan Francisco as a 3B?

John Wagner: Love the bat. I'd say yes, because he was pretty bad in the OF.

Todd Frazier (Louisville, KY): John, what did people tell you about my season this year?

John Wagner: Your brother Jeff said ... aw, shucks. I can't do it. You probably get enough of that grief at the dinner table. People told me that you struggled the first two months of the season (.194 on June 5) and spent the rest of the year catching up. You've got power, and you (and your brother) are terrific grinders, especially at the plate. They also said they want you to find a defensive position where you're comfortable and really show improvement

OnBaseMachine · 10-12-2010, 03:53 PM

No Travis Wood? Wow. Not only should Wood be on the list, he should be in the top 10, IMO. Give me Wood over Ivan Nova.

Benihana · 10-12-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

No Travis Wood? Wow. Not only should Wood be on the list, he should be in the top 10, IMO. Give me Wood over Ivan Nova.

Um, yes.

This guy Wagner is a chump.

Benihana · 10-12-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by New Fever

GC (Newport, KY):
Donnie (Cincinnati): Juan Francisco as a 3B?

John Wagner: Love the bat. I'd say yes, because he was pretty bad in the OF.

I think this says it all about this guy John Wagner. He should play 3B because he was pretty bad in the OF? Isn't he pretty bad at 3B, which is a much more important defensive position than LF?!?!

Kc61 · 10-12-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

I think this says it all about this guy John Wagner. He should play 3B because he was pretty bad in the OF? Isn't he pretty bad at 3B, which is a much more important defensive position than LF?!?!

Did you watch him play third with the Reds? Seemed ok to me. Lacks great range. Catches the ball, has a strong and accurate arm.

OnBaseMachine · 10-12-2010, 04:47 PM

102.2 IP, 85 H, 9 HR, 26 BB, 86 K, 3.51 ERA, 2.3 BB/9, 7.5 K/9. Left-handed, 23 years old, throws in the low 90's, with a nasty cutter and changeup. Oh, and those stats are at the major league level. How in the world could they leave Travis Wood out of the top 10, let alone completely off the list?

dougdirt · 10-12-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

102.2 IP, 85 H, 9 HR, 26 BB, 86 K, 3.51 ERA, 2.3 BB/9, 7.5 K/9. Left-handed, 23 years old, throws in the low 90's, with a nasty cutter and changeup. Oh, and those stats are at the major league level. How in the world could they leave Travis Wood out of the top 10, let alone completely off the list?

Because the International League managers didn't watch him in the majors, so his stats there are meaningless toward the opinions of those asked about on this list?

While I agree that he should be on the list based on his work done in the International League, using what he did in the majors isn't going to do much for this type of list.

scott91575 · 10-17-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Did you watch him play third with the Reds? Seemed ok to me. Lacks great range. Catches the ball, has a strong and accurate arm.

Except for the time he almost killed someone in the stands at Wrigley Field. Of course that might have been intentional.

Overall he only had 12 balls hit to him, and 8 assists with 1 error. Not a lot of play to figure out his defense with the Reds. Fielding percentage just over 91%. Not sure how you got your assessment from his play in the majors. Although 91% is right at his minor league percentage (which includes time in LF and first base, much easier positions). Not good. In comparison, Rolen was almost at 98%. While Rolen is good, he was not gold glove level.

Fielding percentage does not equate to a great fielder, but it certainly can point out bad ones. Hate to say it, but Francisco is not very good in the field at 3rd.

lollipopcurve · 10-12-2010, 04:13 PM

Brad Lincoln at 15 is pretty funny.

Scrap Irony · 10-12-2010, 05:15 PM

Wood should have been top ten, maybe top fifteen.

Wagner has little idea, it seems, of Louisville's talent level.

Joseph · 10-17-2010, 10:02 AM

Francisco has an intriguing bat, but I just don't think he has the glove to stick in the NL. I saw him in Louisville, I saw him in Cincy and I just don't know that he's a big league fielder. He might become adequate at 1st, but only in the Adam Dunn sense. He has to hope he can improve his read in the OF to be more than a bench guy unless he moves to the AL.

Scrap Irony · 10-17-2010, 10:11 AM

If he loses some paunch, Francisco can be solid enough to play 3B, considering the power in his bat. But if he gets any bigger, his range will be knee to knee at best.

mth123 · 10-17-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

If he loses some paunch, Francisco can be solid enough to play 3B, considering the power in his bat. But if he gets any bigger, his range will be knee to knee at best.

Not convinced. Tony Perez had pretty good range at 3B. He was awful there though.

10-12-2010, 03:46 PM	#2
New Fever Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 754	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 Some questions from the chat: Kyle (Oxford): How did Travis Wood miss the list? You had to be impressed with the numbers he posted in Louisville and the job he did down the stretch for Cincinnati. Do you think he settles in as a number 3 starter? John Wagner: Miss the list? Too many guys in front of him. He's 21-29 this year and on the list most other years. I was impressed, but I'd like to see him repeat it. And we haven't seen MLB hitters adjust to him; when they do, I believe they'll have success, and he'll need to adjust. Watch that adjustment, and you'll see if he belongs. Personally, I'd say he's a STRONG #4-#5 starter.

10-12-2010, 04:47 PM	#8
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,659	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 102.2 IP, 85 H, 9 HR, 26 BB, 86 K, 3.51 ERA, 2.3 BB/9, 7.5 K/9. Left-handed, 23 years old, throws in the low 90's, with a nasty cutter and changeup. Oh, and those stats are at the major league level. How in the world could they leave Travis Wood out of the top 10, let alone completely off the list? __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

10-12-2010, 04:13 PM	#11
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,484	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 Brad Lincoln at 15 is pretty funny. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

10-17-2010, 10:02 AM	#13
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,123	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 Francisco has an intriguing bat, but I just don't think he has the glove to stick in the NL. I saw him in Louisville, I saw him in Cincy and I just don't know that he's a big league fielder. He might become adequate at 1st, but only in the Adam Dunn sense. He has to hope he can improve his read in the OF to be more than a bench guy unless he moves to the AL. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

10-17-2010, 10:11 AM	#14
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 If he loses some paunch, Francisco can be solid enough to play 3B, considering the power in his bat. But if he gets any bigger, his range will be knee to knee at best. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

10-12-2010, 12:56 PM	#1
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,742	Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...0/2610779.html Aroldis Chapman came in at #3, while Yonder Alonso came in at #12. Here is the league's Top 5: 1. Carlos Santana, c, Columbus Clippers (Indians) 2. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp, Durham Bulls (Rays) 3. Aroldis Chapman, lhp, Louisville Bats (Reds) 4. Jesus Montero, c, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees 5. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Gwinnett Braves __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

10-12-2010, 03:48 PM	#3
New Fever Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 754	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 GC (Newport, KY): Thoughts on Zack Cozart? John Wagner: Sorry this is in the lightning round ... Both he and Valaika are intriguing. Cozart gets the nod because he is the shortstop. Cozart's hitting was a bit of a surprise, and if he can keep that going he'll be in MLB. Most years, Cozart would have been in the IL's Top 20. This year, 21-29 ... Donnie (Cincinnati): Juan Francisco as a 3B? John Wagner: Love the bat. I'd say yes, because he was pretty bad in the OF. Todd Frazier (Louisville, KY): John, what did people tell you about my season this year? John Wagner: Your brother Jeff said ... aw, shucks. I can't do it. You probably get enough of that grief at the dinner table. People told me that you struggled the first two months of the season (.194 on June 5) and spent the rest of the year catching up. You've got power, and you (and your brother) are terrific grinders, especially at the plate. They also said they want you to find a defensive position where you're comfortable and really show improvement

10-12-2010, 03:53 PM	#4
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,659	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 No Travis Wood? Wow. Not only should Wood be on the list, he should be in the top 10, IMO. Give me Wood over Ivan Nova. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

10-12-2010, 05:15 PM	#12
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Aroldis Chapman and Yonder Alonso make BA's International League Top 20 Wood should have been top ten, maybe top fifteen. Wagner has little idea, it seems, of Louisville's talent level. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

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