Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

OnBaseMachine · 12-02-2010, 06:26 PM

Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C
Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF
Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B
Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS
Prospect #6 - Yasmani Grandal, C
Prospect #7 - Todd Frazier, IF/OF
Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco, 3B
Prospect #9 - Zack Cozart, SS
Prospect #10 - David Sappelt, CF
Prospect #11 - Donnie Joseph, LHP
Prospect #12 - Ismael Guillon, LHP
Prospect #13 - Brad Boxberger, RHP
Prospect #14 - Chris Valaika, IF
Prospect #15 - Kyle Lotzkar, RHP
Prospect #16 - Ryan LaMarre, OF
Prospect #17 - Juan Duran, OF
Prospect #18 - Junior Arias, SS

OnBaseMachine · 12-02-2010, 07:50 PM

Jonathan Correa for me. Like Corcino, Correa has drawn some comparisons to Johnny Cueto. The only reason I rated Correa above Corcino is I like his K/9 better.

camisadelgolf · 12-02-2010, 08:20 PM

Correa for me, too. I love his upside.

SYCMiniBus · 12-02-2010, 09:14 PM

Been going with Correa for a while now, just like that arm long term.

Red Soup · 12-02-2010, 11:07 PM

Torreyes for the fifth time. Come on Baby Boggs.

Ron Madden · 12-03-2010, 04:31 AM

Sam LeCure.

Kc61 · 12-03-2010, 09:16 AM

Voted for Lecure.

Soto is being underrated. I will vote for him next.

Soto had 33 doubles and 21 homers at High A ball. That power of his is starting to emerge. His OBP is still low, but he is showing meaningful power as he advances.

camisadelgolf · 12-03-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Voted for Lecure.

Soto is being underrated. I will vote for him next.

Soto had 33 doubles and 21 homers at High A ball. That power of his is starting to emerge. His OBP is still low, but he is showing meaningful power as he advances.

I agree very much that Soto is being underrated around here. He'll probably get my vote after Correa.

medford · 12-03-2010, 09:19 AM

torreyes again for me, though he & arias were a toss up in my eye. Holding out hope that they both spend the whole season in Dayton this year.

HokieRed · 12-03-2010, 09:53 AM

LeCure again but I also consider Soto to be massively undervalued here.

RedsManRick · 12-03-2010, 12:39 PM

LeCure again. At some point, being a bona fide major leaguer, even one with a low ceiling puts you ahead of a bunch of question marks in the low minors.

Danny Serafini · 12-03-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

LeCure again. At some point, being a bona fide major leaguer, even one with a low ceiling puts you ahead of a bunch of question marks in the low minors.

Absolutely. I'll usually give the benefit to someone who's actually proven he can play Major League ball over some who had some decent numbers five stops away.

bubbachunk · 12-03-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

LeCure again. At some point, being a bona fide major leaguer, even one with a low ceiling puts you ahead of a bunch of question marks in the low minors.

I see him as a journeymen, swing/emergency player when he pitches in the majors. Is that really bona fide? I could see him around 23-25 or so but when talking prospects potential ceilings bring up your value not floors.

RedsManRick · 12-03-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbachunk

I see him as a journeymen, swing/emergency player when he pitches in the majors. Is that really bona fide? I could see him around 23-25 or so but when talking prospects potential ceilings bring up your value not floors.

At some point though, you need to include not just the level of the ceiling but the likelihood of it being reached. Perhaps I'm selling Soto short, but I have trouble getting too excited about guys who put up mediocre numbers in the minors at an appropriate age.

If you asked me to go down that list and project an average expectation of total career major league production, LeCure grades out pretty well.

Torreyes beating the crap out of the Venezuelan summer league and Rookie ball makes me raise an eyebrow, but I need more than a few hundred plate appearances at the lowest levels of professional baseball.

757690 · 12-03-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

At some point though, you need to include not just the level of the ceiling but the likelihood of it being reached. Perhaps I'm selling Soto short, but I have trouble getting too excited about guys who put up mediocre numbers in the minors at an appropriate age.

If you asked me to go down that list and project an average expectation of total career major league production, LeCure grades out pretty well.

Not that this should be a reason to vote for LeCure, but I think that one of the most important skills that a winning organization must have is the ability to constantly churn out players like LeCure. This allows the team to spend all of its payflex on filling starting positions, not filling out a bullpen or bench.

Players like LeCure may seem like fodder, but if they are homegrown, they have significant value.

View Poll Results: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect?
Tucker Barnhart	0	0%
Drew Cisco	2	3.13%
Daniel Corcino	0	0%
Jonathan Correa	8	12.50%
Danny Dorn	0	0%
Mariekson Gregorius	0	0%
Jordan Hotchkiss	2	3.13%
Jacob Johnson	0	0%
Matt Klinker	1	1.56%
Sam Lecure	21	32.81%
Kris Negron	5	7.81%
Felix Perez	1	1.56%
Henry Rodriguez	2	3.13%
Neftali Soto	3	4.69%
Juan Carlos Sulbaran	1	1.56%
Daryl Thompson	1	1.56%
Ronald Torreyes	17	26.56%
Kyle Waldrop	0	0%
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12-02-2010, 06:26 PM	#1
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS Prospect #6 - Yasmani Grandal, C Prospect #7 - Todd Frazier, IF/OF Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco, 3B Prospect #9 - Zack Cozart, SS Prospect #10 - David Sappelt, CF Prospect #11 - Donnie Joseph, LHP Prospect #12 - Ismael Guillon, LHP Prospect #13 - Brad Boxberger, RHP Prospect #14 - Chris Valaika, IF Prospect #15 - Kyle Lotzkar, RHP Prospect #16 - Ryan LaMarre, OF Prospect #17 - Juan Duran, OF Prospect #18 - Junior Arias, SS __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

12-02-2010, 07:50 PM	#2
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Jonathan Correa for me. Like Corcino, Correa has drawn some comparisons to Johnny Cueto. The only reason I rated Correa above Corcino is I like his K/9 better. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

12-02-2010, 08:20 PM	#3
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Correa for me, too. I love his upside.

12-02-2010, 09:14 PM	#4
SYCMiniBus Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,061	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Been going with Correa for a while now, just like that arm long term.

12-02-2010, 11:07 PM	#5
Red Soup Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, Maine Posts: 80	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Torreyes for the fifth time. Come on Baby Boggs.

12-03-2010, 04:31 AM	#6
Ron Madden Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,815	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Sam LeCure.

12-03-2010, 09:16 AM	#7
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,824	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? Voted for Lecure. Soto is being underrated. I will vote for him next. Soto had 33 doubles and 21 homers at High A ball. That power of his is starting to emerge. His OBP is still low, but he is showing meaningful power as he advances.

12-03-2010, 09:19 AM	#9
medford Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,035	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? torreyes again for me, though he & arias were a toss up in my eye. Holding out hope that they both spend the whole season in Dayton this year.

12-03-2010, 09:53 AM	#10
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,042	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? LeCure again but I also consider Soto to be massively undervalued here.

12-03-2010, 12:39 PM	#11
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Re: Who is Redszone's #19 prospect? LeCure again. At some point, being a bona fide major leaguer, even one with a low ceiling puts you ahead of a bunch of question marks in the low minors. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.