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RedsManRick · 12-17-2010, 11:45 AM

There has been some spirited debate in the Jose Reyes thread about how much production we should expect from Janish given the full-time gig. My position is possibly the most optimistic of anybody's I've seen. But I'm curious just how out of line I am with the RedsZone consensus.

So, given the full-time job and assuming he keeps it (140+ games, 600+ PA), what level of production should we expect from Janish. No explanation is needed, but certainly feel free...

pedro · 12-17-2010, 11:53 AM

.235/.305/.340

westofyou · 12-17-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pedro

.235/.305/.340

I'm in that neighborhood too.

RedLegSuperStar · 12-17-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by westofyou

I'm in that neighborhood too.

Ditto.. Maybe slightly higher average. His D is what the Reds are in love with. I don't think they care about his offense. I do on the other hand. When Stubbs was near the mandoza line.. I thought Heisey should of gotten some starts. I think this club could potentially put together a package for a Jose Reyes. I think you solve issues at lead off and at SS.

I would propose:

CoCo Cordero, Homer Bailey, Logan Ondrusek, Zack Cozart & Todd Frazier to the Mets
Jose Reyes, Oliver Perez, & Cash to the Reds

Masset or Chapman become Closer
Reyes Leadsoff and is your starting SS
Perez is Long Relief or Situational

Mets get a Closer and a Set-up man
Bailey gives them a power arm to the rotation
Mets also get a young group up the middle with Cozart and Frazier

remdog · 12-17-2010, 12:21 PM

Everytime I see Janish on the field I get flashbacks of Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward.

Rem

indy_dave00 · 12-17-2010, 12:24 PM

.242, .288, .333

westofyou · 12-17-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by remdog

Everytime I see Janish on the field I get flashbacks of Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward.

Rem

Tom Veryzer as well

Red Leader · 12-17-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

Ditto.. Maybe slightly higher average. His D is what the Reds are in love with. I don't think they care about his offense. I do on the other hand. When Stubbs was near the mandoza line.. I thought Heisey should of gotten some starts. I think this club could potentially put together a package for a Jose Reyes. I think you solve issues at lead off and at SS.

I would propose:

CoCo Cordero, Homer Bailey, Logan Ondrusek, Zack Cozart & Todd Frazier to the Mets
Jose Reyes, Oliver Perez, & Cash to the Reds

Masset or Chapman become Closer
Reyes Leadsoff and is your starting SS
Perez is Long Relief or Situational

Mets get a Closer and a Set-up man
Bailey gives them a power arm to the rotation
Mets also get a young group up the middle with Cozart and Frazier

We better be getting a payroll's worth of cash back from the Mets.
Reyes is making $11M in 2011. Perez is due $12M in 2011. They are both set to become free agents after the 2011 season. And you're willing to give up young, cheap players like Bailey, Ondrusek, Cozart, and Frazier for that? No thanks.

TheNext44 · 12-17-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

.235/.305/.340

Just for the record, if he puts up those numbers offensively, and his career numbers defensively, Janish would be very close to a 2 WAR player.

edabbs44 · 12-17-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNext44

Just for the record, if he puts up those numbers offensively, and his career numbers defensively, Janish would be very close to a 2 WAR player.

His career numbers defensively appear to be greatly skewed by a somewhat ridiculous 2009 measurement.

TheNext44 · 12-17-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by edabbs44

His career numbers defensively appear to be greatly skewed by a somewhat ridiculous 2009 measurement.

I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.

edabbs44 · 12-17-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNext44

I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.

Are they really abnormal though?

I am comparing his 2009 UZR to recent other numbers put up by SSs in the league. His number was abnormal to the rest of the league, not his history.

pedro · 12-17-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNext44

I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.

It's not abnormally low if it's in line with what he did in the minors.

I also think his defense is a little overrated here on RZ. He's no Adam Everett.

REDREAD · 12-17-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

.235/.305/.340

That's about what I was going to say.

TRF · 12-17-2010, 11:53 AM

.250 .350 .390 .740

And he'll get many presents from his pitching staff.

View Poll Results: Given 600+ PA, how much WAR would Janish produce in 2011?
Less than 0 wins (below replacement)	2	3.23%
0 wins (replacement)	3	4.84%
.5 win	6	9.68%
1.0 win	13	20.97%
1.5 wins	14	22.58%
2.0 wins (major league average)	20	32.26%
more than 2.0 wins	4	6.45%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

12-17-2010, 11:45 AM	#1
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Projecting Janish There has been some spirited debate in the Jose Reyes thread about how much production we should expect from Janish given the full-time gig. My position is possibly the most optimistic of anybody's I've seen. But I'm curious just how out of line I am with the RedsZone consensus. So, given the full-time job and assuming he keeps it (140+ games, 600+ PA), what level of production should we expect from Janish. No explanation is needed, but certainly feel free... __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

12-17-2010, 11:53 AM	#2
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Projecting Janish .235/.305/.340 __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

12-17-2010, 12:21 PM	#5
remdog Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 7,946	Re: Projecting Janish Everytime I see Janish on the field I get flashbacks of Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward. Rem

12-17-2010, 12:24 PM	#6
indy_dave00 Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: indiana Posts: 1,220	Re: Projecting Janish .242, .288, .333

12-17-2010, 11:53 AM	#15
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,680	Re: Projecting Janish .250 .350 .390 .740 And he'll get many presents from his pitching staff. __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

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