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kaldaniels · 06-23-2011, 12:37 AM

And maybe no one else is sold on them either...

But they have gotten several mentions on here the past few weeks in regards to the fact that they are sneaking up on the Reds and the other NL Central leaders.

I just expect that they will fade away over the next month. Not to say that they are not much improved and are a team on the rise. Just saying I don't believe they are long term contenders this season.

Big Klu · 06-23-2011, 12:51 AM

I'll say the same thing that I've said since the first week of the season--fourth place. Which is a significant improvement and a step in the right direction for them.

cumberlandreds · 06-23-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Klu

I'll say the same thing that I've said since the first week of the season--fourth place. Which is a significant improvement and a step in the right direction for them.

That's what I think too. If they end up .500 they should have a parade in Pittsburgh. Their pitching has been great to this point. Can it continue will be the big question? If so they will hang around in the race because the NL Central is fairly weak. Ray Searage has done a phenomenal job as pitching coach turning those starters around.

MikeThierry · 06-23-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kaldaniels

And maybe no one else is sold on them either...

But they have gotten several mentions on here the past few weeks in regards to the fact that they are sneaking up on the Reds and the other NL Central leaders.

I just expect that they will fade away over the next month. Not to say that they are not much improved and are a team on the rise. Just saying I don't believe they are long term contenders this season.

I agree with you on that but I think that starting pitching could be good for years to come. If they could get a consistent/better offense they could be a dangerous team 2 or 3 years down the road.

GAC · 06-23-2011, 05:25 AM

I hope they fade because I have a $20 bet with a Pirate fan in their head-to-head contest this year. I thought it was a sure thing, but so far we're 1-5 vs them. Not looking good for me so far. The last 9 games are all in Pitt.

Their pitching overall has been pretty solid. That's why they are still in it, and could very well be the rest of the year. Their offense is pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. If their pitching fades, then they'll be in trouble. But I'm not seeing many signs of that as of yet.

_Sir_Charles_ · 06-23-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kaldaniels

And maybe no one else is sold on them either...

But they have gotten several mentions on here the past few weeks in regards to the fact that they are sneaking up on the Reds and the other NL Central leaders.

I just expect that they will fade away over the next month. Not to say that they are not much improved and are a team on the rise. Just saying I don't believe they are long term contenders this season.

I agree. I don't think they'll hang around after the ASB, but one thing to consider...their offense is seriously under-performing. While I do expect them to fade, I also expect their offense to have a second half resurgence. It's the starting pitching that I expect to fade. Their starting rotation has been fabulous.

This is what I figured before the season, and I'm sticking with it.
Reds: Best record in second half
Brewers: Dogfight til the end, couple games out
Pirates: Near .500, falls a game or 2 short.
Cardinals: Few games behind Bucs
Cubs: Second half improvement, nearly overtaking Cards
Astros: Worst record in baseball

klw · 06-23-2011, 09:30 AM

I am rooting for the Pirates to end up with 82 wins as long as a disproportionate amount of the wins do not come against the Reds.

traderumor · 06-23-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by klw

I am rooting for the Pirates to end up with 82 wins as long as a disproportionate amount of the wins do not come against the Reds.

They already have a disproportionate number of wins against the Reds

Johnny Footstool · 06-23-2011, 11:04 AM

The Pirates run differential says they should a few games under .500. Their pitching staff is relying on contact, which isn't a good thing.

They are getting better, but they will be lucky to finish with 80 wins.

WVRedsFan · 07-19-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

The Pirates run differential says they should a few games under .500. Their pitching staff is relying on contact, which isn't a good thing.

They are getting better, but they will be lucky to finish with 80 wins.

I predict 90 wins. No joke. They are the 2011 version of the 2010 Reds and will suffer the same fate. First round loss, and like the Reds, they'll fade away.

GAC · 06-26-2011, 05:17 AM

Boston is a believer.

blumj · 06-26-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GAC

Boston is a believer.

They're just getting back at the Reds for losing 2 of 3 to the Yankees.

membengal · 07-19-2011, 09:39 PM

I wonder if fans in other NL Central cities said similar things about the Reds this time last year...

RedFanAlways1966 · 07-19-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by membengal

I wonder if fans in other NL Central cities said similar things about the Reds this time last year...

Absolutely.

alexad · 07-19-2011, 10:22 PM

The Pirates have shut out the Reds two games in a row. I'd buy what ever they are drinking right now. It might not be pretty but they are in first place. They must be doing something right.

06-23-2011, 12:37 AM	#1
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,321	I'm not sold on the Pirates And maybe no one else is sold on them either... But they have gotten several mentions on here the past few weeks in regards to the fact that they are sneaking up on the Reds and the other NL Central leaders. I just expect that they will fade away over the next month. Not to say that they are not much improved and are a team on the rise. Just saying I don't believe they are long term contenders this season.

06-23-2011, 12:51 AM	#2
Big Klu Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cambridge, OH Posts: 16,273	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates I'll say the same thing that I've said since the first week of the season--fourth place. Which is a significant improvement and a step in the right direction for them. __________________ Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser....Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

06-23-2011, 05:25 AM	#5
GAC What Me Worry? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellefontaine, Ohio Posts: 26,416	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates I hope they fade because I have a $20 bet with a Pirate fan in their head-to-head contest this year. I thought it was a sure thing, but so far we're 1-5 vs them. Not looking good for me so far. The last 9 games are all in Pitt. Their pitching overall has been pretty solid. That's why they are still in it, and could very well be the rest of the year. Their offense is pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. If their pitching fades, then they'll be in trouble. But I'm not seeing many signs of that as of yet. __________________ "panic" only comes from having real expectations

06-23-2011, 09:30 AM	#7
klw Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New England Posts: 4,285	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates I am rooting for the Pirates to end up with 82 wins as long as a disproportionate amount of the wins do not come against the Reds.

06-23-2011, 11:04 AM	#9
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates The Pirates run differential says they should a few games under .500. Their pitching staff is relying on contact, which isn't a good thing. They are getting better, but they will be lucky to finish with 80 wins. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

06-26-2011, 05:17 AM	#11
GAC What Me Worry? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellefontaine, Ohio Posts: 26,416	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates Boston is a believer. __________________ "panic" only comes from having real expectations

07-19-2011, 09:39 PM	#13
membengal Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 8,379	Re: I'm not sold on the Pirates I wonder if fans in other NL Central cities said similar things about the Reds this time last year...

07-19-2011, 10:22 PM	#15
alexad HS Athletic Director Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleves, Ohio Posts: 1,165	The Pirates have shut out the Reds two games in a row. I'd buy what ever they are drinking right now. It might not be pretty but they are in first place. They must be doing something right. __________________ Taylor High School Home of the "Yellowjackets"

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