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Eric_the_Red · 09-04-2011, 10:17 PM

Wow, what a difference a year makes. This time last year I was pumped for a Colts/Packers Super Bowl (I was half right). This year....well, let's just say I'm not as optimistic.

Now there are reports floating out there that Peyton may need another surgery. If that happens, it is time to enter the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

That said, the reports could be untrue, and for all we know #18 could lead them onto the field in Houston in one week. I'd love to see it obviously, but I'm not very optimistic.

In other news, I don't understand why Jerry Hughes and Donald Brown are still on this roster. They should only be third stringers at best. It seems like the Polians' pride is getting in the way of putting the best 53 players on the roster.

I'm hoping Addai and Collie can stay healthy this year. They are two of my favorite Colts. Great guys and football players, very easy to root for.

So, here are my predictions for the year:

If Manning plays all 16 games: 10-6
If Manning plays in 8 games: 6-10
If Manning doesn't play at all: 2-14

gilpdawg · 09-05-2011, 01:01 AM

Even if 18 missed the first four games, which seems to be what all the injury gurus are saying, I think Collins could possibly go 2-2 or 1-3 at worst, which in this division means nothing. I'm not buying Houston until they prove something. Every year they are "the team that is going to shock people" and every year they win 6 games.

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George Anderson · 09-05-2011, 03:21 PM

What are the chances Manning is done??

Anytime you have an injury regarding the neck you have to wonder if it is over.

CTA513 · 09-05-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

What are the chances Manning is done??

Anytime you have an injury regarding the neck you have to wonder if it is over.

Hard to say, but the best thing to do is make sure its 100% before attempting to return.

Eric_the_Red · 09-05-2011, 04:58 PM

If Manning is done (for the season or his career), the Colts have to make a push for Luck. Then, you keep Peyton around him as much as possible.

cinredsfan2000 · 09-05-2011, 05:12 PM

I was suprised the colts didn't take a longer look at Terrelle Pryor. Knowing Peyton would be at best a long shot to start the season and neither back up showing anything in the pre season games .Why not take a gamble on pryor and have peyton to groom him for the future ?

Slyder · 09-05-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cinredsfan2000

I was suprised the colts didn't take a longer look at Terrelle Pryor. Knowing Peyton would be at best a long shot to start the season and neither back up showing anything in the pre season games .Why not take a gamble on pryor and have peyton to groom him for the future ?

Wasn't it known that he was going to likely be suspended by the NFL ahead of time at which point makes it useless (at that time) for Indy to get Pryor as it would solve nothing.

Eric_the_Red · 09-05-2011, 06:40 PM

I'll take Kerry Collins over Pryor, and it isn't particularly close.

cinredsfan2000 · 09-05-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric_the_Red

I'll take Kerry Collins over Pryor, and it isn't particularly close.

So would i but i'd say its time to start grooming a replacement sooner rather than later. Pryor wouldnt have been forced to start right away and gets to learn from one of the best to ever to play the position . Still wouldnt have solved the current situation .

puca · 09-06-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cinredsfan2000

So would i but i'd say its time to start grooming a replacement sooner rather than later. Pryor wouldnt have been forced to start right away and gets to learn from one of the best to ever to play the position . Still wouldnt have solved the current situation .

Some things cannot be taught. I don't see Prior ever playing in the NFL as a quarterback, and certainly not starting.

kaldaniels · 09-05-2011, 07:10 PM

Remember last season, when I stirred up all kinds of trouble when I said there were 7 or 8 other guys I'd rather have at QB for the 2012 season than Peyton Manning? Let me tell you where that remark/thought process was born from. It was a Sunday night game and on the slow-mo replays you could see Manning flinching way too early in the pocket. I don't know if that is related at all to this injury and I'm not saying "See I told you so" (no one could have foreseen this drama)...but at some point playing QB in the NFL for 13 years takes its toll and I made the call that I'd rather have some other guys at QB for me this year. I actually was looking forward to his play this year so I would be able to give you guys a "see I told you so...".

Who knows...he could be back out there at full speed in 6 weeks and prove me wrong.

Interesting that he JUST signed a 5 year deal. What is the guaranteed number in that deal...I don't see it in any of the news articles on it.

Slyder · 09-05-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Remember last season, when I stirred up all kinds of trouble when I said there were 7 or 8 other guys I'd rather have at QB for the 2012 season than Peyton Manning? Let me tell you where that remark/thought process was born from. It was a Sunday night game and on the slow-mo replays you could see Manning flinching way too early in the pocket. I don't know if that is related at all to this injury and I'm not saying "See I told you so" (no one could have foreseen this drama)...but at some point playing QB in the NFL for 13 years takes its toll and I made the call that I'd rather have some other guys at QB for me this year. I actually was looking forward to his play this year so I would be able to give you guys a "see I told you so...".

Who knows...he could be back out there at full speed in 6 weeks and prove me wrong.

Interesting that he JUST signed a 5 year deal. What is the guaranteed number in that deal...I don't see it in any of the news articles on it.

Even if he were to never play another down I think he would be worth the contract in terms of what he provides whoever you bring in to play QB as a tutor/mentor/coach, pr, and as a face of a franchise (see Elway, John). I have never seen a guy be able to diagnose what was coming and be so accurate as Peyton has been.

For those wandering... 5 years, 90 mil, 69 mil of which will be paid over the first 3 years. No clue on what the guaranteed money was up front.

gilpdawg · 09-05-2011, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

What are the chances Manning is done??

Anytime you have an injury regarding the neck you have to wonder if it is over.

According to Will Carroll it's not as bad as a normal neck surgery. He didn't get anything fused or anything like that and long term he will be fine.

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redsfanmia · 09-07-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gilpdawg

According to Will Carroll it's not as bad as a normal neck surgery. He didn't get anything fused or anything like that and long term he will be fine.

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How Will Carroll has a job is beyond me, he is the ultimate clown and if I ever meet him I will fight him. I would not take anything he says seriously.

George Anderson · 09-07-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by redsfanmia

How Will Carroll has a job is beyond me, he is the ultimate clown and if I ever meet him I will fight him. I would not take anything he says seriously.

You may hafta stand in line to fight him.

He irritates me like crazy.

09-05-2011, 03:21 PM	#3
George Anderson Beer is good!! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 4,116	Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion What are the chances Manning is done?? Anytime you have an injury regarding the neck you have to wonder if it is over. __________________ "Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard

09-05-2011, 04:58 PM	#5
Eric_the_Red Mr.Redlegs is my homeboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,171	Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion If Manning is done (for the season or his career), the Colts have to make a push for Luck. Then, you keep Peyton around him as much as possible. __________________ 2013 Record at games attended: 0-1

09-05-2011, 05:12 PM	#6
cinredsfan2000 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 325	Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion I was suprised the colts didn't take a longer look at Terrelle Pryor. Knowing Peyton would be at best a long shot to start the season and neither back up showing anything in the pre season games .Why not take a gamble on pryor and have peyton to groom him for the future ?

09-05-2011, 06:40 PM	#8
Eric_the_Red Mr.Redlegs is my homeboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,171	Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion I'll take Kerry Collins over Pryor, and it isn't particularly close. __________________ 2013 Record at games attended: 0-1

09-05-2011, 07:10 PM	#11
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,307	Re: 2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion Remember last season, when I stirred up all kinds of trouble when I said there were 7 or 8 other guys I'd rather have at QB for the 2012 season than Peyton Manning? Let me tell you where that remark/thought process was born from. It was a Sunday night game and on the slow-mo replays you could see Manning flinching way too early in the pocket. I don't know if that is related at all to this injury and I'm not saying "See I told you so" (no one could have foreseen this drama)...but at some point playing QB in the NFL for 13 years takes its toll and I made the call that I'd rather have some other guys at QB for me this year. I actually was looking forward to his play this year so I would be able to give you guys a "see I told you so...". Who knows...he could be back out there at full speed in 6 weeks and prove me wrong. Interesting that he JUST signed a 5 year deal. What is the guaranteed number in that deal...I don't see it in any of the news articles on it.

09-04-2011, 10:17 PM	#1
Eric_the_Red Mr.Redlegs is my homeboy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,171	2011 Indianapolis Colts discussion Wow, what a difference a year makes. This time last year I was pumped for a Colts/Packers Super Bowl (I was half right). This year....well, let's just say I'm not as optimistic. Now there are reports floating out there that Peyton may need another surgery. If that happens, it is time to enter the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. That said, the reports could be untrue, and for all we know #18 could lead them onto the field in Houston in one week. I'd love to see it obviously, but I'm not very optimistic. In other news, I don't understand why Jerry Hughes and Donald Brown are still on this roster. They should only be third stringers at best. It seems like the Polians' pride is getting in the way of putting the best 53 players on the roster. I'm hoping Addai and Collie can stay healthy this year. They are two of my favorite Colts. Great guys and football players, very easy to root for. So, here are my predictions for the year: If Manning plays all 16 games: 10-6 If Manning plays in 8 games: 6-10 If Manning doesn't play at all: 2-14 __________________ 2013 Record at games attended: 0-1

09-05-2011, 01:01 AM	#2
gilpdawg Section 525-Saturdays. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Paris, OH Posts: 1,971	Even if 18 missed the first four games, which seems to be what all the injury gurus are saying, I think Collins could possibly go 2-2 or 1-3 at worst, which in this division means nothing. I'm not buying Houston until they prove something. Every year they are "the team that is going to shock people" and every year they win 6 games. Sent from my SGH-I897 using Tapatalk

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