Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

OnBaseMachine · 01-25-2012, 04:03 PM

#Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite.

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RedsManRick · 01-25-2012, 04:06 PM

Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err...

In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth?

lollipopcurve · 01-25-2012, 04:06 PM

Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable.

mdccclxix · 01-25-2012, 04:09 PM

Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:10 PM

Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish.

2 year deal for Masset, that I like, depending upon the $'s.

OnBaseMachine · 01-25-2012, 04:12 PM

Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish.

Vottomatic · 01-25-2012, 04:15 PM

It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me.

It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible?

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 04:18 PM

What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by reds44

What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.

And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-25-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.

Okay, and 2 years ago Janish posted a .723 ops. And no, I'm not saying he'd do that again. But I am saying he's a much better defender than Valdez.

Personally, I would've preferred to keep the starter/long reliever depth of Horst in Louisville.

TRF · 01-25-2012, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.

Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?

Kc61 · 01-25-2012, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRF

Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?

I guess if they were both still 27 you'd have a point.

reds44 · 01-25-2012, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRF

Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?

And then they turned 28.

You literally just randomly picked out Valdez's worst year and Janish's best year.

REDREAD · 01-25-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

Sadly, it's still an upgrade from Janish (with his 521 OPS and mediocre defense).
Janish is that bad.

There's also a thought that Janish may never recover phsycologically from the beating he took in the big leagues.

This move allows them to stash Janish at AAA for depth. Valdez makes the team as the backup SS.

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01-25-2012, 04:06 PM	#2
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err... In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth? __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,483	Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

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