Reds roster in 2016

[RedsfaninMT]

In what is not protected material from Baseball America, it is interesting to see that their 2016 lineup has the Choo in LF with Hamilton in CF. I think they are a little off to me to have 1. Cueto 2. Chapman 3. Latos 4. Stephenson 5. Bailey with Corcino as the closer. IF Latos is still here, I would bet he would be #1.

Imagine that lineup though:
1. Hamilton
2. Choo
3. Votto
4. Bruce
5. Mesoraco
6. B.P.
7. Frazier
8. Cozart

I know, too many lefties in a row, but can't see B.P. hitting much higher 4 years from now. Also would guess that somebody else might supplant Frazier at 3B.

[Red Swagger]

The key is Mesoraco. If he can hit for power and average, our line up would be set for the future, slot him in the 4 spot.

B Hamilton
Choo
Votto
Mesoraco
Bruce
Phillips
Frazier
Cozart

This could potentially be our 2014 line up, depends on Luddy and Mes.
I would love to extend Choo, but a few things must go our way. Mesoraco clicking and reaching his potential would be HUGE

[Vottomatic]

Mesoraco reminds me of Stubbs at the plate. Completely has no plan at the plate. Seems to not recognize pitches. Swings at pitches out of the K zone. Undisciplined.

For a catcher to not be able to recognize pitches when he's hitting is almost impossible to do. But he seems clueless at times.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

Mesoraco reminds me of Stubbs at the plate. Completely has no plan at the plate. Seems to not recognize pitches. Swings at pitches out of the K zone. Undisciplined.

For a catcher to not be able to recognize pitches when he's hitting is almost impossible to do. But he seems clueless at times.

Confirmation bias says hello.

Last season Drew Stubbs swung outside the zone 3rd least amount on the team and was grouped well with Ryan Hanigan and Joey Votto before a gap to get to the next guy.

Mesoraco wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either. He was right there with Cozart (Mesoraco was 5th, Cozart 6th).

Check out the leaderboard. Phillips was atrocious. Todd Frazier wasn't good at all either.

[Vottomatic]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Confirmation bias says hello.

Last season Drew Stubbs swung outside the zone 3rd least amount on the team and was grouped well with Ryan Hanigan and Joey Votto before a gap to get to the next guy.

Mesoraco wasn't good, but he wasn't bad either. He was right there with Cozart (Mesoraco was 5th, Cozart 6th).

Check out the leaderboard. Phillips was atrocious. Todd Frazier wasn't good at all either.

My eyes tell me more than the stats do.

Mez is going to be a backup catcher most of his career. Just my opinion.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

My eyes tell me more than the stats do.

Mez is going to be a backup catcher most of his career. Just my opinion.

Your eyes are clearly lying to you then, as shown with actual numerical evidence. Sure, maybe neither guy "has a plan at the plate", but neither guy is chasing pitches outside the zone at some high rate compared to other guys.

[Vottomatic]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Your eyes are clearly lying to you then, as shown with actual numerical evidence. Sure, maybe neither guy "has a plan at the plate", but neither guy is chasing pitches outside the zone at some high rate compared to other guys.

My eyes "are clearly lying to you then"???? Pretty insulting.

I'll take my eyes over your over reliance on stats any day of the week.

Please learn to just agree to disagree. And respect others opinions. You seem to have to be right all the time and it's annoying.

[cjtenn28]

Any chance Travieso cracks the 2016 staff?

[Salukifan2]

I think the reds need to make a decision. Either chose Hannigan and move mez to another club while he still has value or start Mez. Since it is Dusty's call i doubt Mez will get much playing time.

Also, you can't say Mez will never hit major league pitching. Do you remember Yadi's slash line his first few years in the bigs?

[cjtenn28]

Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam

I think the reds need to make a decision. Either chose Hannigan and move mez to another club while he still has value or start Mez. Since it is Dusty's call i doubt Mez will get much playing time.

Also, you can't say Mez will never hit major league pitching. Do you remember Yadi's slash line his first few years in the bigs?

Hanigan has EARNED the starts he is getting and is why the Reds pitching is what it is.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by cjtenn28

Hanigan has EARNED the starts he is getting and is why the Reds pitching is what it is.

So Hanigan is why, and not the pitchers?

[Salukifan2]

Originally Posted by cjtenn28

Hanigan has EARNED the starts he is getting and is why the Reds pitching is what it is.

i agree with you. Im just saying a decision needs to be made. Hannigan isn't a spring chicken anymore though. Perhaps if Mez comes out this spring and shows that he remembers how to hit they may be able to split time more evenly this season (something mez would really benefit from).

I believe hannigan is supremely underrated. After molina i think he is the second best catcher in the division.

[mth123]

I think the most intriguing position moving forward is Third Base. Todd Frazier is there for now, but I get an inkling that the Reds would prefer him in the OF or as a 400+ PA super sub. The Reds have a bunch of decent, but not first tier, propsects lined-up at 3B and I wonder how they will all get playing time. H-Rod in AAA, Vidal in AA, Mattair should probably be in AA, Mejias-Brean will be at A with maybe a quick move to A+. Gabriel Rosa was a second rounder and is still only 19 and Junior Arias is still only 21 and both could get their acts together after rough starts as very young players. Tanner Rahier was a second rounder last season with a relatively decent amount of fanfare and projects as a 3rd baseman as well.

2013 is going to be an interesting year to watch the prospects position themselves for 2014 and beyond and 3B is probably the most muddled and, at the same time, promisingly deep position in the system.

[Scrap Irony]

Originally Posted by mth123

2013 is going to be an interesting year to watch the prospects position themselves for 2014 and beyond and 3B is probably the most muddled and, at the same time, promisingly deep position in the system.

Lots of interesting CF types as well, IMO.

Hamilton is a stud.
Bryson Smith has done nothing but hit since he was drafted.
Ryan LaMarre supposedly owns all five tools, but hasn't found any power. (He's a great runner, however, and looks like he's patient.)
Theo Bowe had a breakout season last year and looks intriguing as he begins play in AA. (Maybe.)
Juan Silva played relatively well in Dayton last season and deserves another look-see, this time at Bakersfield.
Beau Amaral is the son of a former major leaguer, and he did fairly well last season in Billings.
Finally, Jonathan Reynoso is a BA Top Ten talent that scouts across the game seem to like.

These guys all look like they could be useful in some capacity, from fourth outfielders to major league stars. Interesting to see what happens here.

[11larkin11]

From Doug's stats he posted, it looks like what people are seeing is Stubbs MISSING on outside pitches way more often than anyone else. When a guy hits a pitch out of the zone, no one really notices. Its when he swings and misses at pitches out of the zone when people notice. That's why your eyes tell you one thing, but the truth lies somewhere else. Yes, Stubbs swings and MISSES at too many pitches out of the zone.