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redsfan4445 · 10-05-2006, 07:28 PM

this was posted on mlbtraderumours.com

"2007 Pittsburgh Pirates
The next 2007 Team Outlook is the Pirates. Many thanks to Dejan Kovacevic for writing a fine summary in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Dave Littlefield's contract obligations:

C - Ronny Paulino - $0.33MM
C - Ryan Doumit - $0.333MM
C - Humberto Cota - $0.342MM
1B -
2B - Freddy Sanchez - $0.342MM
SS - Jack Wilson - $5.25MM
3B - Jose Bautista - $0.33MM
IF - Jose Castillo - $0.348MM
LF - Jason Bay - $3.25MM
CF - Chris Duffy - $0.331MM
RF - Xavier Nady - $0.427MM
OF - Nate McLouth - $0.329MM
OF - Jody Gerut - $0.875MM

SP -
SP - Zach Duke - $0.335MM
SP - Ian Snell - $0.33MM
SP - Paul Maholm - $0.328MM
SP - Tom Gorzelanny - $0.327MM
SP - Sean Burnett - $0.33MM
SP - Brian Bullington - $0.327MM

RP - Salomon Torres - $2.6MM
RP - Mike Gonzalez - $0.347MM
RP - John Grabow - $0.34175MM
RP - Jonah Bayliss - $0.327MM
RP - Matt Capps - $0.327MM
RP - Marty McLeary - $0.33MM
RP - Juan Perez - $0.33MM
RP - Josh Sharpless - $0.327MM
RP - Shane Youman - $0.327MM

Buyouts:
RF - Jeromy Burnitz - $0.7MM
RP - Damaso Marte - $0.25MM

That's about $20MM locked up, which is impressive. The team entered the season with a $46.7MM payroll. I usually don't factor in more than $5MM for raises, but Kovacevic estimated $10MM in his article. Let's put it this way: the Pirates have been $15MM and $20MM to burn. They will make some acquisitions.

I guess I'm less impressed by some that 25 year-old catcher Ronny Paulino hit .310 this year. If he can rediscover the power he had in 2005, the Bucs might really have something here. Paulino might just be keeping the seat warm, as BP's Kevin Goldstein calls Neil Walker one of the few minor league catchers with "star potential." Walker's a ways off, though, and Doumit makes for a capable backup.

Nady will end up at first or in right, depending on who the Pirates acquire. A left-handed power hitter is the target; Kovacevic suggests Aubrey Huff. Though he hasn't played first since '97, I could see the Bucs signing Luis Gonzalez and putting him there. Trade options could include Jacque Jones, Adam Dunn, and Geoff Jenkins.

Should the Pirates shift Sanchez back to second, 3B will need some fixin'. Internal options Bautista and Castillo seem to be the favorites. As for the outfield, Gerut will try to squeeze his way in if he is recovered from knee surgery. That assumes the team offers him arbitration after his '06 medical grievance.

In Gorzelanny, Duke, and Maholm, the Pirates have a trio of promising southpaws. There's also righty Ian Snell, whose season was much better than it looked. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better young foursome outside of Florida.

The idea is to use some of that free cash to add a veteran righty starter to anchor the staff. Popular names include Jason Schmidt, Gil Meche, Vicente Padilla, and Jeff Suppan according to Kovacevic. Miguel Batista or Jeff Weaver could also qualify. The return of Schmidt may be more than just a pipe dream.

The trade market could include Jason Jennings, Jake Westbrook, Jose Contreras, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, and Javier Vazquez. There could be a fit with the White Sox, as they're looking for relievers.

As for the bullpen, it is seen as a surplus for the Pirates. Torres is more expensive, but Gonzalez maybe more effective (and younger). Personally I'd trade one of them in hopes of getting one premium 1B or RF (Austin Kearns would've been perfect). Are Torres and Gonzalez really going to be a part of the next Pirates championship team?

It may not seem interesting to some, but I am very curious to see how this offseason unfolds for the Pirates. They usually spend their cash poorly. As with the Royals, I think a cool way to spend it would be on Daisuke Matsuzaka. I haven't heard anything to that effect however."

How about a Dunn, Travis Wood, Deno, magic man and another prospect for Jason Bay and Zach Duke...???

Then sign Hunter or Wells for CF, move Jr to RF and Bay in LF...

Then with a rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Duke and Loshe and Bailey (paying half of Miltons contratc to ship him to Oakland or Washington..for a prospect..

What is the thoughts on this?

"

Patrick Bateman · 10-05-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by redsfan4445

How about a Dunn, Travis Wood, Deno, magic man and another prospect for Jason Bay and Zach Duke...???

Then sign Hunter or Wells for CF, move Jr to RF and Bay in LF...

Then with a rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Duke and Loshe and Bailey (paying half of Miltons contratc to ship him to Oakland or Washington..for a prospect..

What is the thoughts on this?

"

If the Pirates have money to burn, why don't they just keep the better and cheaper Bay and then sign Hunter instead of getting Dunn? Plus they have to trade Duke for some lesser players.

It makes no sense for the Pirates IMO.

BUTLER REDSFAN · 10-05-2006, 10:30 PM

i'd love to get jason bay.. bay for dunn?

Patrick Bateman · 10-05-2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTLER REDSFAN

i'd love to get jason bay.. bay for dunn?

That makes no sense for the Pirates. Bay is better and cheaper.

larks · 10-06-2006, 01:18 AM

And so it begins...Here comes the unfounded and crazy trade ideas. Dave Littlefield very might well be the dumbest GM in baseball but he aint that dumb.

BUTLER REDSFAN · 10-06-2006, 01:46 PM

hey a person can dream cant they

10-05-2006, 07:28 PM	#1
redsfan4445 Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 2,732	how about Pirates as a trade partner?? this was posted on mlbtraderumours.com "2007 Pittsburgh Pirates The next 2007 Team Outlook is the Pirates. Many thanks to Dejan Kovacevic for writing a fine summary in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Dave Littlefield's contract obligations: C - Ronny Paulino - $0.33MM C - Ryan Doumit - $0.333MM C - Humberto Cota - $0.342MM 1B - 2B - Freddy Sanchez - $0.342MM SS - Jack Wilson - $5.25MM 3B - Jose Bautista - $0.33MM IF - Jose Castillo - $0.348MM LF - Jason Bay - $3.25MM CF - Chris Duffy - $0.331MM RF - Xavier Nady - $0.427MM OF - Nate McLouth - $0.329MM OF - Jody Gerut - $0.875MM SP - SP - Zach Duke - $0.335MM SP - Ian Snell - $0.33MM SP - Paul Maholm - $0.328MM SP - Tom Gorzelanny - $0.327MM SP - Sean Burnett - $0.33MM SP - Brian Bullington - $0.327MM RP - Salomon Torres - $2.6MM RP - Mike Gonzalez - $0.347MM RP - John Grabow - $0.34175MM RP - Jonah Bayliss - $0.327MM RP - Matt Capps - $0.327MM RP - Marty McLeary - $0.33MM RP - Juan Perez - $0.33MM RP - Josh Sharpless - $0.327MM RP - Shane Youman - $0.327MM Buyouts: RF - Jeromy Burnitz - $0.7MM RP - Damaso Marte - $0.25MM That's about $20MM locked up, which is impressive. The team entered the season with a $46.7MM payroll. I usually don't factor in more than $5MM for raises, but Kovacevic estimated $10MM in his article. Let's put it this way: the Pirates have been $15MM and $20MM to burn. They will make some acquisitions. I guess I'm less impressed by some that 25 year-old catcher Ronny Paulino hit .310 this year. If he can rediscover the power he had in 2005, the Bucs might really have something here. Paulino might just be keeping the seat warm, as BP's Kevin Goldstein calls Neil Walker one of the few minor league catchers with "star potential." Walker's a ways off, though, and Doumit makes for a capable backup. Nady will end up at first or in right, depending on who the Pirates acquire. A left-handed power hitter is the target; Kovacevic suggests Aubrey Huff. Though he hasn't played first since '97, I could see the Bucs signing Luis Gonzalez and putting him there. Trade options could include Jacque Jones, Adam Dunn, and Geoff Jenkins. Should the Pirates shift Sanchez back to second, 3B will need some fixin'. Internal options Bautista and Castillo seem to be the favorites. As for the outfield, Gerut will try to squeeze his way in if he is recovered from knee surgery. That assumes the team offers him arbitration after his '06 medical grievance. In Gorzelanny, Duke, and Maholm, the Pirates have a trio of promising southpaws. There's also righty Ian Snell, whose season was much better than it looked. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better young foursome outside of Florida. The idea is to use some of that free cash to add a veteran righty starter to anchor the staff. Popular names include Jason Schmidt, Gil Meche, Vicente Padilla, and Jeff Suppan according to Kovacevic. Miguel Batista or Jeff Weaver could also qualify. The return of Schmidt may be more than just a pipe dream. The trade market could include Jason Jennings, Jake Westbrook, Jose Contreras, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, and Javier Vazquez. There could be a fit with the White Sox, as they're looking for relievers. As for the bullpen, it is seen as a surplus for the Pirates. Torres is more expensive, but Gonzalez maybe more effective (and younger). Personally I'd trade one of them in hopes of getting one premium 1B or RF (Austin Kearns would've been perfect). Are Torres and Gonzalez really going to be a part of the next Pirates championship team? It may not seem interesting to some, but I am very curious to see how this offseason unfolds for the Pirates. They usually spend their cash poorly. As with the Royals, I think a cool way to spend it would be on Daisuke Matsuzaka. I haven't heard anything to that effect however." How about a Dunn, Travis Wood, Deno, magic man and another prospect for Jason Bay and Zach Duke...??? Then sign Hunter or Wells for CF, move Jr to RF and Bay in LF... Then with a rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Duke and Loshe and Bailey (paying half of Miltons contratc to ship him to Oakland or Washington..for a prospect.. What is the thoughts on this? "

10-05-2006, 10:30 PM	#3
BUTLER REDSFAN Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,195	Re: how about Pirates as a trade partner?? i'd love to get jason bay.. bay for dunn?

10-06-2006, 01:18 AM	#5
larks Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 142	Re: how about Pirates as a trade partner?? And so it begins...Here comes the unfounded and crazy trade ideas. Dave Littlefield very might well be the dumbest GM in baseball but he aint that dumb.

10-06-2006, 01:46 PM	#6
BUTLER REDSFAN Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,195	Re: how about Pirates as a trade partner?? hey a person can dream cant they

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