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camisadelgolf · 10-06-2006, 01:07 PM

Plenty of minor trades have been going during the Krivsky era, so I thought I'd briefly go over what we've lost in some of the recent acquisitions.

Bobby Basham - pitched two games and went on DL for the year for Padres
Jeff Stevens - unimpressive for Indians A- team
Ben Kozlowski - had some success in AA for Dodgers
Cody Ross - overall, played poorly for the Marlins (by the way, does anyone know what we received for him yet?)
Brandon Roberts - played very well for Twins A+ team
Travis Chick - played well for Mariners AA
Justin Germano - played extremely well for Phillies AAA
Zach Ward - overall, pitched poorly for Twins A- team
Kyle Edens - was almost unbelievably bad for Angels in AA

Here are some players that have been released, too:
Allan Simpson - solid year in AAA
Bubba Nelson - so-so year for Padres AAA
Luke Hudson - mediocre year for Royals
Jacob Cruz - good year for Mets AAA
Frank Menechino - poor performance in brief AAA appearances
Tony Womack - played very little and did nothing noteable
Terrence Long - decent numbers for Yankees AAA
Rick White - average stats for Phillies
Esteban Yan - terrible for Royals AAA
Quinton McCracken - average numbers in limited AAA time for Twins

redsupport · 10-06-2006, 01:20 PM

good job

SultanOfSwing · 10-06-2006, 01:20 PM

Thank you. I see so much bashing of Krivsky's moves for average major-league talent. But he gave up nothing. Really, from what I can tell, the only ones who have a shot at anything are Ward, Germano, Chick, and maybe Hudson. Of those Germano is the only who showed any signs of doing such. Even he is back of the rotation at best. I think Krivsky has done a wonderful job. He paid nothing and also served to clean up the farm system. Just look at some examples of overpaying with minor leaguers (Reds Sox, Padres, etc.) and you can appreciate it.

klw · 10-06-2006, 01:30 PM

Don't forget Mkie Burns

Code:

NAME       G GS W L Sv QSHld IP H ER R HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

Mike Burns  7 0 0 0 0  0  0 7.2 10 4 4 0  1  7 8.22 0.0 1.43 4.70

Chip R · 10-06-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klw

Don't forget Mkie Burns

Code:

NAME       G GS W L Sv QSHld IP H ER R HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 
 
Mike Burns  7 0 0 0 0  0  0 7.2 10 4 4 0  1  7 8.22 0.0 1.43 4.70

"They aren't booing they are just saying Boo-urns."

RedsManRick · 10-06-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip R

"They aren't booing they are just saying Boo-urns."

Burns is the pitching version Brandon Larson. He sucked out loud in the majors.

dfs · 10-06-2006, 01:53 PM

Nice list. Thanks.
FWIW Josh Hancock probably belongs on that list.

On the one hand 80 innings of 4.00 era is something the reds sure could have used, but if you look at the way Hancock was used it looks far less impressive. For a basically 500 team out of 94 games he appeared in his team only one 21 of them. He was being used in losses and not being used for long stretches in most of those games.

camisadelgolf · 10-06-2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klw

Don't forget Mkie Burns

Code:

NAME       G GS W L Sv QSHld IP H ER R HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

Mike Burns  7 0 0 0 0  0  0 7.2 10 4 4 0  1  7 8.22 0.0 1.43 4.70

My favorite part about this deal was that we got a minor leaguer and cash.

dabvu2498 · 10-06-2006, 03:39 PM

Where's Dave Williams???

Chip R · 10-06-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

Where's Dave Williams???

Not on the Mets playoff roster. I can't understand why.

Hey Meat · 10-06-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Plenty of minor trades have been going
during the Krivsky era, so I thought I'd briefly go over what we've lost in some of the recent acquisitions.

Bobby Basham - pitched two games and went on DL for the year for Padres
Jeff Stevens - unimpressive for Indians A- team
Ben Kozlowski - had some success in AA for Dodgers
Cody Ross - overall, played poorly for the Marlins (by the way, does anyone know what we received for him yet?)
Brandon Roberts - played very well for Twins A+ team
Travis Chick - played well for Mariners AA
Justin Germano - played extremely well for Phillies AAA
Zach Ward - overall, pitched poorly for Twins A- team
Kyle Edens - was almost unbelievably bad for Angels in AA

Here are some players that have been released, too:
Allan Simpson - solid year in AAA
Bubba Nelson - so-so year for Padres AAA
Luke Hudson - mediocre year for Royals
Jacob Cruz - good year for Mets AAA
Frank Menechino - poor performance in brief AAA appearances
Tony Womack - played very little and did nothing noteable
Terrence Long - decent numbers for Yankees AAA
Rick White - average stats for Phillies
Esteban Yan - terrible for Royals AAA
Quinton McCracken - average numbers in limited AAA time for Twins

Thanks for reassuring me, because I was starting to wonder about Krivsky.

Hey Meat · 10-06-2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

Where's Dave Williams???

Mets Last time I checked he was still on the roster. I think they even had to use him a time or two when Pedro was hurt last.

redsupport · 10-06-2006, 04:26 PM

what about Bong the drum slowly

Chip R · 10-06-2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsupport

what about Bong the drum slowly

Bonger went back to Korea.

redsupport · 10-06-2006, 05:02 PM

he shut out the cards once, just amazing

10-06-2006, 01:07 PM	#1
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	For Those Who May Have Forgotten Plenty of minor trades have been going during the Krivsky era, so I thought I'd briefly go over what we've lost in some of the recent acquisitions. Bobby Basham - pitched two games and went on DL for the year for Padres Jeff Stevens - unimpressive for Indians A- team Ben Kozlowski - had some success in AA for Dodgers Cody Ross - overall, played poorly for the Marlins (by the way, does anyone know what we received for him yet?) Brandon Roberts - played very well for Twins A+ team Travis Chick - played well for Mariners AA Justin Germano - played extremely well for Phillies AAA Zach Ward - overall, pitched poorly for Twins A- team Kyle Edens - was almost unbelievably bad for Angels in AA Here are some players that have been released, too: Allan Simpson - solid year in AAA Bubba Nelson - so-so year for Padres AAA Luke Hudson - mediocre year for Royals Jacob Cruz - good year for Mets AAA Frank Menechino - poor performance in brief AAA appearances Tony Womack - played very little and did nothing noteable Terrence Long - decent numbers for Yankees AAA Rick White - average stats for Phillies Esteban Yan - terrible for Royals AAA Quinton McCracken - average numbers in limited AAA time for Twins

10-06-2006, 01:20 PM	#2
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten good job

10-06-2006, 01:20 PM	#3
SultanOfSwing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 317	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten Thank you. I see so much bashing of Krivsky's moves for average major-league talent. But he gave up nothing. Really, from what I can tell, the only ones who have a shot at anything are Ward, Germano, Chick, and maybe Hudson. Of those Germano is the only who showed any signs of doing such. Even he is back of the rotation at best. I think Krivsky has done a wonderful job. He paid nothing and also served to clean up the farm system. Just look at some examples of overpaying with minor leaguers (Reds Sox, Padres, etc.) and you can appreciate it.

10-06-2006, 01:30 PM	#4
klw Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New England Posts: 4,296	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten Don't forget Mkie Burns Code: NAME G GS W L Sv QSHld IP H ER R HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA Mike Burns 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.2 10 4 4 0 1 7 8.22 0.0 1.43 4.70 Last edited by klw; 10-06-2006 at 01:32 PM.

10-06-2006, 01:53 PM	#7
dfs Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,419	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten Nice list. Thanks. FWIW Josh Hancock probably belongs on that list. On the one hand 80 innings of 4.00 era is something the reds sure could have used, but if you look at the way Hancock was used it looks far less impressive. For a basically 500 team out of 94 games he appeared in his team only one 21 of them. He was being used in losses and not being used for long stretches in most of those games.

10-06-2006, 03:39 PM	#9
dabvu2498 Yay! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 7,260	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten Where's Dave Williams??? __________________ When all is said and done more is said than done.

10-06-2006, 04:26 PM	#13
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten what about Bong the drum slowly

10-06-2006, 05:02 PM	#15
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: For Those Who May Have Forgotten he shut out the cards once, just amazing

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