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Will M · 10-12-2006, 10:25 PM

I've seen >100 possible trades for dunn.

Some say Dunn for E Santana or J Bonderman could happen.
Others say no way.

Some want MORE ( ie E Santana & one of the Angels top prospects ).

Some want to give Dunn away for junk.

I am not a big fan of Dunn.
I want the Reds defense improved for 2007 and that means Dunn or Jr in left and the other gone.
Trading Jr is problematic ( 10/5 rights and fan outrage ) so I think Dunn is more likely to be traded.
I realize Dunn's numbers last year were a slight dropoff from 2005 but I do believe there should be many teams desirable of a guy who hits 40 HRs with a .370 OBP.

So...realistically who would be calling Krisky & what can Krivsky get for Dunn?

What is the LEAST you would be willing to trade Dunn for?

My thoughts:

1. Angels ( of course ).

* Dunn & Cormier for Shields & O Cabrera.
The Angels want offense.
They also need a LH reliever.
They have 2 SS prospects.
From the Reds side they get a good defensive SS who can hit & a closer.

*Dunn straight up for E Santana.

2. Tigers ( pitching rich and need a LH hitter ).

*Dunn straight up for Bonderman.

*Dunn straight up for Rodney or Zumaya ( sp ) & one of the Tigers top AAA pitching prospects.

Zumaya ( sp ) & one of the Tigers top AAA pitching prospects is probably the minimum I want for Dunn.

- Dunn straight up for Rodney or Zumaya ( sp ) & Maroth or Miner.
I don't think this is enough.

3. Yankees. I don't think they have much to trade to the Reds.

4. Astros. Looking for another bat. Not sure what they could offer.

5. Cubs. Not sure what they could offer.

6. Dodgers?

7. Padres need offense.

mth123 · 10-12-2006, 10:33 PM

Keep Dunn.

I would need 3 top prospects that are ready. 1 who plays SS, one who is a starter and the other a high ceiling guy who doesn't play 3B. I think the Angels are the only team that has it and they have money to buy what they want (Soriano) without trading it all in one deal.

Tom Servo · 10-12-2006, 10:36 PM

A thought I had today was Dunn to the Rangers for Michael Young. Dunn is a Texas boy and can play DH for a Rangers team who will probably want a power DH with Carlos Lee likely not staying, and we get a great hitting SS. Texas is apparently shopping Young, Texiera, and most of it's team around and owner Tom Hicks isn't very high on Young. I admit this doesn't solve any pitching problems but maybe you can throw in Coffey and a some other guys to get some pitchers from Texas.

dougdirt · 10-12-2006, 11:16 PM

Adam Dunn and Ryan Freel for Ervin Santana and Erick Aybar.

Johnny Footstool · 10-12-2006, 11:33 PM

Isn't Michael Young just as bad on defense as Felipe Lopez?

mth123 · 10-12-2006, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

Isn't Michael Young just as bad on defense as Felipe Lopez?

Yes!

dunner13 · 10-12-2006, 11:42 PM

Dunn for Bonderman sounds pretty good. Assuming that the reds commit to keep bonderman long term and that they go and sign some offense this offseason to replace dunn.

TeamSelig · 10-12-2006, 11:54 PM

Don't think Detroit is going to do that deal.

Why trade a good young SP for a power hitting OFer? Power hitting OFers aren't that hard to come by

wheels · 10-13-2006, 12:27 AM

Gosh dernit....

Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest?

Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore?

Dunn for ARod, Dunn for this, Dunn for that.

Enough already.

Gee willickers.

Kc61 · 10-13-2006, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels

Gosh dernit....

Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest?

Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore?

Dunn for ARod, Dunn for this, Dunn for that.

Enough already.

Gee willickers.

I'm not sure the Reds should trade Dunn. I don't know what they can get for him. But it's not as simple as "don't sell low."

The issue with Dunn is his contract. He has a $13.5 million option for 2008. If you are the Reds, do you want this player at that point? If no, can you risk another bad season (or first half 2007) when his trade value may drop more?

And this is complicated further if, as I understand, his option year disappears if traded. If so, he is a one-year rental by the acquiring team.

I don't know the answer. But if the Reds get good offers for Dunn, they may feel that -- financially -- it makes sense to make the trade sooner instead of later. It's not that simple a question.

mth123 · 10-13-2006, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kc61

I'm not sure the Reds should trade Dunn. I don't know what they can get for him. But it's not as simple as "don't sell low."

The issue with Dunn is his contract. He has a $13.5 million option for 2008. If you are the Reds, do you want this player at that point? If no, can you risk another bad season (or first half 2007) when his trade value may drop more?

And this is complicated further if, as I understand, his option year disappears if traded. If so, he is a one-year rental by the acquiring team.

I don't know the answer. But if the Reds get good offers for Dunn, they may feel that -- financially -- it makes sense to make the trade sooner instead of later. It's not that simple a question.

I'm with Wheels here. It would cost more than $13.5 Million on the market to replace his production. Even off his bad year where he "only" hit 40 HR with .370 OBP. I bet Soriano or even Lee get that much and they are older. The Reds need to turn that option into a 3 year deal at $12 to $13 million per IMO. Blow me away and I'd trade him.

mth123 · 10-13-2006, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels

Gosh dernit....

Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest?

Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore?

Dunn for ARod, Dunn for this, Dunn for that.

Enough already.

Gee willickers.

Natty Redlocks · 10-13-2006, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels

Gosh dernit....

Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest?

Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore?

Dunn for ARod, Dunn for this, Dunn for that.

Enough already.

Gee willickers.

Golly sakes...

How do you know his value is at its lowest?

It could go completely in the toilet next season.

Heavens to Betsy.

Will M · 10-13-2006, 09:52 AM

Assuming you don't trade Dunn how exactly are you going to improve the team?

Even if we resign Aurillia, Weathers & Schowenweis we still need:
#3 SP, closer, SS or 2b, better defense & a better bench/depth.

Going into 2007 with the same team that was so painfully average in 2006 can't happen. We all hope Bailey & maybe Votto will be ready this year but rookies shouldn't be counted on too much ( they have their ups & downs ).

So if we keep Dunn how do we improve the team?

registerthis · 10-13-2006, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks

Golly sakes...

How do you know his value is at its lowest?

It could go completely in the toilet next season.

Heavens to Betsy.

Well it's lower than at any other point during his career. let's just leave it at that.

I mean, Holy Moses.

10-12-2006, 10:25 PM	#1
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) I've seen >100 possible trades for dunn. Some say Dunn for E Santana or J Bonderman could happen. Others say no way. Some want MORE ( ie E Santana & one of the Angels top prospects ). Some want to give Dunn away for junk. I am not a big fan of Dunn. I want the Reds defense improved for 2007 and that means Dunn or Jr in left and the other gone. Trading Jr is problematic ( 10/5 rights and fan outrage ) so I think Dunn is more likely to be traded. I realize Dunn's numbers last year were a slight dropoff from 2005 but I do believe there should be many teams desirable of a guy who hits 40 HRs with a .370 OBP. So...realistically who would be calling Krisky & what can Krivsky get for Dunn? What is the LEAST you would be willing to trade Dunn for? My thoughts: 1. Angels ( of course ). * Dunn & Cormier for Shields & O Cabrera. The Angels want offense. They also need a LH reliever. They have 2 SS prospects. From the Reds side they get a good defensive SS who can hit & a closer. Dunn straight up for E Santana. 2. Tigers ( pitching rich and need a LH hitter ). Dunn straight up for Bonderman. *Dunn straight up for Rodney or Zumaya ( sp ) & one of the Tigers top AAA pitching prospects. Zumaya ( sp ) & one of the Tigers top AAA pitching prospects is probably the minimum I want for Dunn. - Dunn straight up for Rodney or Zumaya ( sp ) & Maroth or Miner. I don't think this is enough. 3. Yankees. I don't think they have much to trade to the Reds. 4. Astros. Looking for another bat. Not sure what they could offer. 5. Cubs. Not sure what they could offer. 6. Dodgers? 7. Padres need offense.

10-12-2006, 10:33 PM	#2
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,708	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Keep Dunn. I would need 3 top prospects that are ready. 1 who plays SS, one who is a starter and the other a high ceiling guy who doesn't play 3B. I think the Angels are the only team that has it and they have money to buy what they want (Soriano) without trading it all in one deal.

10-12-2006, 11:16 PM	#4
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,772	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Adam Dunn and Ryan Freel for Ervin Santana and Erick Aybar. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

10-12-2006, 11:33 PM	#5
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,670	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Isn't Michael Young just as bad on defense as Felipe Lopez? __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

10-12-2006, 11:42 PM	#7
dunner13 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 589	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Dunn for Bonderman sounds pretty good. Assuming that the reds commit to keep bonderman long term and that they go and sign some offense this offseason to replace dunn.

10-12-2006, 10:36 PM	#3
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,421	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) A thought I had today was Dunn to the Rangers for Michael Young. Dunn is a Texas boy and can play DH for a Rangers team who will probably want a power DH with Carlos Lee likely not staying, and we get a great hitting SS. Texas is apparently shopping Young, Texiera, and most of it's team around and owner Tom Hicks isn't very high on Young. I admit this doesn't solve any pitching problems but maybe you can throw in Coffey and a some other guys to get some pitchers from Texas.

10-12-2006, 11:54 PM	#8
TeamSelig Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,727	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Don't think Detroit is going to do that deal. Why trade a good young SP for a power hitting OFer? Power hitting OFers aren't that hard to come by

10-13-2006, 12:27 AM	#9
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,539	Re: Dunn traded for what ( realistically ) Gosh dernit.... Doesn't anyone understand that you don't trade someone when his value is at it's lowest? Doesn't anyone pay attention this game anymore? Dunn for ARod, Dunn for this, Dunn for that. Enough already. Gee willickers. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

10-13-2006, 09:52 AM	#14
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	For the Dunn lovers Assuming you don't trade Dunn how exactly are you going to improve the team? Even if we resign Aurillia, Weathers & Schowenweis we still need: #3 SP, closer, SS or 2b, better defense & a better bench/depth. Going into 2007 with the same team that was so painfully average in 2006 can't happen. We all hope Bailey & maybe Votto will be ready this year but rookies shouldn't be counted on too much ( they have their ups & downs ). So if we keep Dunn how do we improve the team?

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