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savafan · 11-19-2006, 01:15 PM

I would have loved to have had Stanton 10 years ago.

Kc61 · 11-19-2006, 01:23 PM

I wonder if this means Schoenweis is not returning.

Over his career, Stanton has been a better pitcher than Schoesnweis, but Stanton is 39 and you have to wonder which of the two is the better bet for the next couple of years.

Reds still collecting lefty relievers. Cormier, Bray, and Stanton all on the roster.

NDRed · 11-19-2006, 01:29 PM

Pretty decent signing, no doubt he is an upgrade in the pen. I don't know how anyone can not like this before they know the dollars involved.

RBA · 11-19-2006, 01:29 PM

I'm not really liking Wayne K's move since the Kearns/Lopez fiasco.

Scrap Irony · 11-19-2006, 01:32 PM

Does this make other bullpenners available? If Santon is the set-up guy (and he probably will be), then at least four the following is sure to be sitting on warmer seats today:

Coffey-- CLoser of the future has to step it up at least two notches. A viable alternative as a middle reliever or set-up guy, he's cheap, and fairly effective. Trade bait? It's possible.

Bray-- The arm with the most promise of the bunch. He's cheap and LH. Plus stuff may mean he's a possible closer in waiting, but how many pens have a lefty set-up guy and a lefty closer? Looks to be the odd man out and a middle reliever at best this year.

Majewski-- Has to bounce back strong or he's useless. Many on the board assume he's toast, but they've been wrong before. Likely negative trade value at this point, so he's here until he's better. A middle reliever.

Belisle-- Promises about starting seem empty. Plus stuff, but a troublesome back keeps him from being ultra solid. He's a long reliever at this point, but could blossom. Does he have trade value? Not much. An intriguing throw-in-- nothing more.

Lohse-- Pitched decently for Cincinnati last season. Still young at 27 and has experience (albeit limited) in the pen. Could become an outstanding closer, with plus/ plus stuff. But he's expensive. Could Lohse be lost due to arbitration? If so, look for a deal sooner.

Claussen-- Pitched horribly last season, but fairly effectively the year before. If he's right, Claussen is the best of the fifth starter candidates. Of course, he's supposed to be a fourth or third starter, so that's not good. Still, as a lefty, he'll get every chance. Arbitration eligible, but shouldn't break the bank. At this point, little trade value, but that could rise quickly. A keeper, IMO.

Ramirez-- Cheap, young, and doesn't walk anyone. I think a transformation to the pen would be ideal, with an eye toward closer. He's got decent stuff. Let's hope that's the Red's plan as well, as he's overmatched (at this point) as a starter.

Cormier-- Signed for two more years. Ugh. Rheal bad. Rheal, rheal bad. But he's here for a reason.

Standridge-- Solid last year, in spurts. The biggest odds against making the team, IMO, as he's been unheralded and unknown largely thorughout his career. Still, he's had a couple cups of coffee and knows a bit about the role as mop-up man. Little trade value.

pedro · 11-19-2006, 01:37 PM

Not a bad move IMO.

Patrick Bateman · 11-19-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Standridge-- Solid last year, in spurts. The biggest odds against making the team, IMO, as he's been unheralded and unknown largely thorughout his career. Still, he's had a couple cups of coffee and knows a bit about the role as mop-up man. Little trade value.

The Mets already picked him up off of waivers.

Ltlabner · 11-19-2006, 01:40 PM

Just got back and glanced over this and the same thread in Reds Live. Has it been reported yet as to whether this is a 1 year deal or 2 ? Seems like there are some conflicting reports.

Kc61 · 11-19-2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Does this make other bullpenners available? If Santon is the set-up guy (and he probably will be), then at least four the following is sure to be sitting on warmer seats today:

Standridge-- Solid last year, in spurts. The biggest odds against making the team, IMO, as he's been unheralded and unknown largely thorughout his career. Still, he's had a couple cups of coffee and knows a bit about the role as mop-up man. Little trade value.

Standridge was cut and picked up by the Mets.

Scrap Irony · 11-19-2006, 01:49 PM

I meant Shackleford, but typed Standridge. His ERA was horrid, but Shackleford was used incorrectly. In fact, he's really the only true LOOGY in the bunch. That makes four LH, not counting Schowenweis (who's probably gone), Guardado (who will take time), and Mercker (who's almost 99% retired, at this point).

Lots of options and a probable spot where a deal can be made.

M2 · 11-19-2006, 01:50 PM

With Cormier and Bray, why spend money on Stanton? Are the Reds going to carry seven relievers again next year? That's something I'd really hoped would get put into mothballs.

reds44 · 11-19-2006, 01:52 PM

I'll wait to see what the money is, but I don't mind this move at all. Stanton is a solid pitcher.

harangatang · 11-19-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

With Cormier and Bray, why spend money on Stanton? Are the Reds going to carry seven relievers again next year? That's something I'd really hoped would get put into mothballs.

7 relievers and 3 catchers, same old story.

reds44 · 11-19-2006, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harangatang

7 relievers and 3 catchers, same old story.

It's November.

westofyou · 11-19-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

With Cormier and Bray, why spend money on Stanton? Are the Reds going to carry seven relievers again next year? That's something I'd really hoped would get put into mothballs.

Fetish Night

11-19-2006, 01:15 PM	#16
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Mike Stanton a Red I would have loved to have had Stanton 10 years ago. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

11-19-2006, 01:23 PM	#17
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,838	Re: Mike Stanton a Red I wonder if this means Schoenweis is not returning. Over his career, Stanton has been a better pitcher than Schoesnweis, but Stanton is 39 and you have to wonder which of the two is the better bet for the next couple of years. Reds still collecting lefty relievers. Cormier, Bray, and Stanton all on the roster. Last edited by Kc61; 11-19-2006 at 01:27 PM.

11-19-2006, 01:29 PM	#18
NDRed Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 1,271	Re: Mike Stanton a Red Pretty decent signing, no doubt he is an upgrade in the pen. I don't know how anyone can not like this before they know the dollars involved.

11-19-2006, 01:29 PM	#19
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Re: Mike Stanton a Red I'm not really liking Wayne K's move since the Kearns/Lopez fiasco.

11-19-2006, 01:32 PM	#20
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Mike Stanton a Red Does this make other bullpenners available? If Santon is the set-up guy (and he probably will be), then at least four the following is sure to be sitting on warmer seats today: Coffey-- CLoser of the future has to step it up at least two notches. A viable alternative as a middle reliever or set-up guy, he's cheap, and fairly effective. Trade bait? It's possible. Bray-- The arm with the most promise of the bunch. He's cheap and LH. Plus stuff may mean he's a possible closer in waiting, but how many pens have a lefty set-up guy and a lefty closer? Looks to be the odd man out and a middle reliever at best this year. Majewski-- Has to bounce back strong or he's useless. Many on the board assume he's toast, but they've been wrong before. Likely negative trade value at this point, so he's here until he's better. A middle reliever. Belisle-- Promises about starting seem empty. Plus stuff, but a troublesome back keeps him from being ultra solid. He's a long reliever at this point, but could blossom. Does he have trade value? Not much. An intriguing throw-in-- nothing more. Lohse-- Pitched decently for Cincinnati last season. Still young at 27 and has experience (albeit limited) in the pen. Could become an outstanding closer, with plus/ plus stuff. But he's expensive. Could Lohse be lost due to arbitration? If so, look for a deal sooner. Claussen-- Pitched horribly last season, but fairly effectively the year before. If he's right, Claussen is the best of the fifth starter candidates. Of course, he's supposed to be a fourth or third starter, so that's not good. Still, as a lefty, he'll get every chance. Arbitration eligible, but shouldn't break the bank. At this point, little trade value, but that could rise quickly. A keeper, IMO. Ramirez-- Cheap, young, and doesn't walk anyone. I think a transformation to the pen would be ideal, with an eye toward closer. He's got decent stuff. Let's hope that's the Red's plan as well, as he's overmatched (at this point) as a starter. Cormier-- Signed for two more years. Ugh. Rheal bad. Rheal, rheal bad. But he's here for a reason. Standridge-- Solid last year, in spurts. The biggest odds against making the team, IMO, as he's been unheralded and unknown largely thorughout his career. Still, he's had a couple cups of coffee and knows a bit about the role as mop-up man. Little trade value.

11-19-2006, 01:37 PM	#21
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Mike Stanton a Red Not a bad move IMO. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

11-19-2006, 01:40 PM	#23
Ltlabner 2009: Fail Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 7,441	Re: Mike Stanton a Red Just got back and glanced over this and the same thread in Reds Live. Has it been reported yet as to whether this is a 1 year deal or 2 ? Seems like there are some conflicting reports. __________________ a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude. I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate Last edited by Ltlabner; 11-19-2006 at 01:44 PM.

11-19-2006, 01:49 PM	#25
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Mike Stanton a Red I meant Shackleford, but typed Standridge. His ERA was horrid, but Shackleford was used incorrectly. In fact, he's really the only true LOOGY in the bunch. That makes four LH, not counting Schowenweis (who's probably gone), Guardado (who will take time), and Mercker (who's almost 99% retired, at this point). Lots of options and a probable spot where a deal can be made.

11-19-2006, 01:50 PM	#26
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: Mike Stanton a Red With Cormier and Bray, why spend money on Stanton? Are the Reds going to carry seven relievers again next year? That's something I'd really hoped would get put into mothballs. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

11-19-2006, 01:52 PM	#27
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,669	Re: Mike Stanton a Red I'll wait to see what the money is, but I don't mind this move at all. Stanton is a solid pitcher.

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