2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

savafan · 11-27-2006, 03:04 PM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/4362090.html

NEW YORK — Mark McGwire, Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. headline the first-time candidates on the 2007 baseball writers' Hall of Fame ballot released Monday, sure to spark debate on Big Mac's place in history as the steroid era comes under renewed scrutiny.

Jose Canseco, whose book last year led to a congressional hearing on steroid use in baseball, also is on the ballot for the first time. Canseco said he used steroids along with McGwire when they were teammates.

McGwire denied using illegal performance-enhancing substances, but when he appeared before a congressional committee, he evaded questions. "I'm not here to talk about the past," was his repeated response.

McGwire finished his career with 583 home runs, seventh in baseball history while Canseco, a former MVP, is 30th at 462. Dave Kingman, 34th with 442, has the most home runs for a player who has been on the Hall of Fame ballot and was not elected.

Gwynn, an eight-time batting champion with San Diego, and Ripken, a two-time MVP with Baltimore, are considered likely to gain election on the first ballot. Ripken played in 2,632 consecutive games, breaking Lou Gehrig's record.

Bret Saberhagen, a two-time Cy Young Award winner, and former MVP Ken Caminiti also are among 17 players on the ballot for the first time along with Harold Baines, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Eric Davis, Tony Fernandez, Wally Joyner, Paul O'Neill, Devon White and Bobby Witt.

Jim Rice, who was 53 votes short of election last year, heads the 15 holdovers. Rich Gossage finished one vote behind Rice.

Reporters who have been in the BBWAA for 10 or more consecutive years are eligible to vote, and the totals will be announced Jan. 9.

The complete ballot:

Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bert Blyleven, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Dave Concepcion, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Fernandez, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Paul O'Neill, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Devon White, Bobby Witt.

Slyder · 11-27-2006, 04:48 PM

Bert "Be home" Blyleven
Goose
Eric
Dave Concepcion
Paul O'Neil
Cal
Lee Smith

would be my picks.

terminator · 11-27-2006, 04:58 PM

I'd vote for him. We don't know what he did or didn't take. At the time, it wasn't a violation of league rules and there was no testing. He obviously had a lot of natural talent anyway since steroids don't magically make you able to hit a baseball. Some of his historical predecessors were taking greenies and we don't hold that against them.

(Anyway, Maybe Dunn should talk to him. Up until age 27, his career numbers look very similar to Dunn's.)

Redny · 11-27-2006, 04:58 PM

Ripken, Gwynn, Gossage, John, Smith, Concepcion

Aceking · 11-27-2006, 05:00 PM

Andre Dawson
Cal Ripken
Gwynn

Aceking · 11-27-2006, 05:06 PM

Wow, can I ask Slyder why he passed on Gwynn?

redsfanmia · 11-27-2006, 05:06 PM

Ripken=overrated IMO

RedsBaron · 11-27-2006, 05:07 PM

Gossage, Gwynn and Ripken are the three guys I would definitely vote for.
There are a host of guys on that ballot that I would seriously consider, including Belle, Blyleven, Concepcion, Dawson, John, Mattingly, Morris, Murphy, Parker, Rice, Smith and Trammell. In each case, there is already one or more players or pitchers in the Hall of Fame who was less deserving of enshrinement than each of those guys are--not that that is enough to necessarily justify inducting them into the HOF, but it is enough to at least give each of them a look.
McGwire? Were I allowed to vote, I would refuse to elect on the first ballot anybody whom I suspected of having used steroids or other chemical enhancements. I'd still have another 14 chances to reconsider, but not on the first ballot. Wait your turn, McGwire.

Number_Fourteen · 11-27-2006, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsfanmia

Ripken=overrated IMO

The Streak=overrated

Team Clark · 11-27-2006, 05:21 PM

Gwynn, Gossage, Ripken, Blyleven definites IMO....

Rice, Dawson, Smith and possibly McGwire in '08.....

Handofdeath · 11-27-2006, 05:51 PM

Ripken, Gwynn, Rice and the Goose.

Red in Chicago · 11-27-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsBaron

McGwire? Were I allowed to vote, I would refuse to elect on the first ballot anybody whom I suspected of having used steroids or other chemical enhancements. I'd still have another 14 chances to reconsider, but not on the first ballot. Wait your turn, McGwire.

i absolutely agree with keeping mcgwire off the first year ballot...while some say your either a hall of famer or you're not, there is something special about making it your first year and i don't think he deserves this...

my ballot would be:
gwynn
ripken
concepcion
trammell
dawson

Jpup · 11-27-2006, 06:19 PM

McGwire
Ripken
Gwynn
Dawson
Gossage
John
Smith

dougflynn23 · 11-27-2006, 06:23 PM

Bert Blyleven...would those who are not voting for him explain why you are leaving a 280 game winner with 3,700 career strikeouts off your ballots?

Rich Gossage, Tony Gwynn, and Cal Ripken.

Col_ IN Reds fan · 11-27-2006, 06:32 PM

Gwynn , Ripken, Concepcion is who I would vote for. Gwynn and Ripken will get in. No to McGwire.

11-27-2006, 03:04 PM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/4362090.html NEW YORK — Mark McGwire, Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. headline the first-time candidates on the 2007 baseball writers' Hall of Fame ballot released Monday, sure to spark debate on Big Mac's place in history as the steroid era comes under renewed scrutiny. Jose Canseco, whose book last year led to a congressional hearing on steroid use in baseball, also is on the ballot for the first time. Canseco said he used steroids along with McGwire when they were teammates. McGwire denied using illegal performance-enhancing substances, but when he appeared before a congressional committee, he evaded questions. "I'm not here to talk about the past," was his repeated response. McGwire finished his career with 583 home runs, seventh in baseball history while Canseco, a former MVP, is 30th at 462. Dave Kingman, 34th with 442, has the most home runs for a player who has been on the Hall of Fame ballot and was not elected. Gwynn, an eight-time batting champion with San Diego, and Ripken, a two-time MVP with Baltimore, are considered likely to gain election on the first ballot. Ripken played in 2,632 consecutive games, breaking Lou Gehrig's record. Bret Saberhagen, a two-time Cy Young Award winner, and former MVP Ken Caminiti also are among 17 players on the ballot for the first time along with Harold Baines, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Eric Davis, Tony Fernandez, Wally Joyner, Paul O'Neill, Devon White and Bobby Witt. Jim Rice, who was 53 votes short of election last year, heads the 15 holdovers. Rich Gossage finished one vote behind Rice. Reporters who have been in the BBWAA for 10 or more consecutive years are eligible to vote, and the totals will be announced Jan. 9. The complete ballot: Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bert Blyleven, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Dave Concepcion, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Fernandez, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Paul O'Neill, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Devon White, Bobby Witt. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

11-27-2006, 04:48 PM	#2
Slyder Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,061	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Bert "Be home" Blyleven Goose Eric Dave Concepcion Paul O'Neil Cal Lee Smith would be my picks.

11-27-2006, 04:58 PM	#3
terminator Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 308	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) I'd vote for him. We don't know what he did or didn't take. At the time, it wasn't a violation of league rules and there was no testing. He obviously had a lot of natural talent anyway since steroids don't magically make you able to hit a baseball. Some of his historical predecessors were taking greenies and we don't hold that against them. (Anyway, Maybe Dunn should talk to him. Up until age 27, his career numbers look very similar to Dunn's.)

11-27-2006, 04:58 PM	#4
Redny Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,357	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Ripken, Gwynn, Gossage, John, Smith, Concepcion

11-27-2006, 05:00 PM	#5
Aceking Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 820	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Andre Dawson Cal Ripken Gwynn __________________ http://www.ohiosportsfans.com GREAT BENGALS FORUM!

11-27-2006, 05:06 PM	#6
Aceking Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 820	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Wow, can I ask Slyder why he passed on Gwynn? __________________ http://www.ohiosportsfans.com GREAT BENGALS FORUM!

11-27-2006, 05:06 PM	#7
redsfanmia Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,452	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Ripken=overrated IMO __________________ I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.

11-27-2006, 05:07 PM	#8
RedsBaron Big Red Machine Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Out Wayne Posts: 22,366	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Gossage, Gwynn and Ripken are the three guys I would definitely vote for. There are a host of guys on that ballot that I would seriously consider, including Belle, Blyleven, Concepcion, Dawson, John, Mattingly, Morris, Murphy, Parker, Rice, Smith and Trammell. In each case, there is already one or more players or pitchers in the Hall of Fame who was less deserving of enshrinement than each of those guys are--not that that is enough to necessarily justify inducting them into the HOF, but it is enough to at least give each of them a look. McGwire? Were I allowed to vote, I would refuse to elect on the first ballot anybody whom I suspected of having used steroids or other chemical enhancements. I'd still have another 14 chances to reconsider, but not on the first ballot. Wait your turn, McGwire. __________________ "Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."

11-27-2006, 05:51 PM	#11
Handofdeath Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 1,361	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Ripken, Gwynn, Rice and the Goose.

11-27-2006, 06:19 PM	#13
Jpup Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern KY Posts: 6,967	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) McGwire Ripken Gwynn Dawson Gossage John Smith __________________ "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

11-27-2006, 06:23 PM	#14
dougflynn23 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 725	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Bert Blyleven...would those who are not voting for him explain why you are leaving a 280 game winner with 3,700 career strikeouts off your ballots? Rich Gossage, Tony Gwynn, and Cal Ripken.

11-27-2006, 06:32 PM	#15
Col_ IN Reds fan Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 642	Re: 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Released (let the McGwire controversy begin) Gwynn , Ripken, Concepcion is who I would vote for. Gwynn and Ripken will get in. No to McGwire.

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