What happens if the Reds get a lot worse in 2007?

[Falls City Beer]

Let's say the Reds end the season 72-90, with few injuries to link to the record's cause. What happens? Give me a list of 5 things that occur as a result of that record.

[Razor Shines]

Whatever the same five things are that happen every year. I'm sorry but do you think that's really going to shock anybody into any drastic action?

[Highlifeman21]

1. Jerry Narron finds himself unemployed
2. Wayne Krivsky finds himself unemployed
3. Griffey retires
4. Bronson Arroyo finds himself playing for a different team
5. Adam Dunn finds himself playing for a different team

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by Razor Shines 1B

Whatever the same five things are that happen every year. I'm sorry but do you think that's really going to shock anybody into any drastic action?

While I understand your cynicism, I think something might come as a result of sliding that severely from the 80 win mark.

[westofyou]

There's a whole season of baseball that will shift the five items on that list. It's to malleable to even touch IMO.

But what does happen if the Reds tank? Which is a distinct possibility. A good example of two steps forward and two steps back is a long tradition in Reds history, one that has it reasons, like player squabbles (1921) bad managing and bad approach (1937), crappy GM (1982) hitting collapse (1958) It's like the roulette of being a loser, so many choices, so many, many choices.

1919  1st     96   44  .686   +9     WORLD CHAMPIONS
1920  3rd     82   71  .536   10.5 
1921  6th     70   83  .458   24   
1922  2nd     86   68  .558    7   
1923  2nd     91   63  .591    4.5 

1934  8th     52   99  .344   42   
1935  6th     68   85  .444   31.5 
1936  5th     74   80  .481   18  
1937  8th     56   98  .364   40    
1938  4th     82   68  .547    6   
1939  1st     97   57  .630   +4.5   NL CHAMPIONS
1940  1st    100   53  .654  +12     WORLD CHAMPIONS 

1955  5th     75   79  .487   23.5 
1956  3rd     91   63  .591    2   
1957  4th     80   74  .519   15   
1958  4th     76   78  .494   16   
1959  T5th    74   80  .481   13  
1960  6th     67   87  .435   28   
1961  1st     93   61  .604   +4     NL CHAMPIONS 

1979  1st     90   71  .559   +1.5   NL WEST CHAMPIONS
1980  3rd     89   73  .549    3.5 
1981  2nd     35   21  .625    0.5 
1981  2nd     31   21  .596    1.5 
1982  6th     61  101  .377   28   
1983  6th     74   88  .457   17

[mth123]

I think we'll hear that there are better days ahead. "Now we have Bailey and Votto in place of some of the stop gaps." Which is true but not enough change IMO.

Predicting personnel changes will be difficult at this point because when (notice I didn't say if) that happens there will surely be some desperation moves made during the year or some decent talent may end up gone for less in return to simply save cash.

The team that ends 2007 with 90 losses is probably quite different than the one we see now.

If I had to predict, I'd guess BCast goes all Steinbrenner on us and fires a bunch of people and takes on too big a role himself personally.

But I've become pretty negative with this off-season, so there may be some positives that I just can't see right now.

[IslandRed]

I won't predict anyone to lose his job but I expect it will accelerate the makeover process if we're not feigning contention. Note I said makeover and not slash-and-burn rebuild; Castellini may accept the obvious and allow Krivsky to be a deadline seller (which would do us a lot of good IMO) but I don't think he's interested in punting future years. So whatever the 2008 core is -- and I'm not saying everyone under contract for 2008 qualifies -- I wouldn't expect that to be dealt away.

[Always Red]

IMO, nothing will happen if the Reds backslide to 72-90, because it appears, by the inactivity thus far in the offseason, that the Reds are not making a big push to win in 2007.

I realize that you always try to win, but I think Krivsky's plan is to do it while rebuilding the team, and the entire farm system, to his liking. Maybe in retrospect, being in contention all year in 2006 only slowed down Kriv's plan to remake this team?

I think if the Reds are well out of it by the ASB, some even bigger moves will be made to bring in some young talent. For example, if the Reds are tanking at the trading deadline and Arroyo still pitching well, I'd trade him to a contender for some excellent return, since it's doubtful he will be here past 2008.

[KronoRed]

Same ole same ole will happen.

[dougdirt]

1. We get a top 5 draft pick in 2008.
2. We get a new GM....again.
3. We see Adam Dunn and Bronson Arroyo traded.

[KoryMac5]

1. Griffey traded
2. Arroyo traded
3. Weathers or Stanton traded
4. Narron fired
5. Krivs fired

[toledodan]

the sad thing is the reds more than likely will be worse. the question is how bad. i hope i'm so wrong though. at worse i would almost take the same results as last season if it means we have brought bailey and votto up.

[vaticanplum]

I kind of think that if things go horrifically for the reds early on, Narron could be fired before the end of the season.

[Ltlabner]

Depends on the timing of the collapse.

1. Lots of the middle-of-the road guys (Weathers, Stanton's) traded for whatever they can get
2. Jr gone
3. The number of "I told you so" posts will be unbearable
4. Some of the guys in AAA who wouldn't normally get a chance would see some time at GABP.
5. Narron gone.
6. We'd hear a lot more from BCast explaining what is going on behind the sceens. More in-house "promotion" if you will.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

3. The number of "I told you so" posts will be unbearable
.

I doubt it. I think the whole board is sufficiently cynical to avoid that kind of behavior.