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Pitching, defense enhanced this spring
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin
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Re: Pitching, defense enhanced this spring
I love Baseball and all of the little things it takes to win ball games.
Little things like hitters who avoid making outs and pitchers with the talent to record outs. |
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Matt's Dad
Join Date: May 2000
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Yeah, you have to have talented players, but I don't see a thing wrong with wanting to see your team execute better and to do the lttle things that it takes to win ballgames. I don't know why it is necessary to be "snarky" every time Krivsky or Narron say that they want their teams to execute and play smart baseball. I don't want to see a talented bonehead team that just throws away games because they can't execute. Playing smart baseball is not a bad thing.
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Matt's Dad
Join Date: May 2000
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Re: Pitching, defense enhanced this spring
Station to station baserunning usually coincides with waiting for the three run homer.
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Join Date: May 2006
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But you are right, there are many ways to play smarter while avoiding giving up unecessary outs. I'd love to see them reduce or eliminate the host of baserunning errors they've made the past few years. Freel would be public enemy number 1 here but there were plenty of other mistakes over the past few years that gave up outs and in some cases killed scoring oportunities.
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Matt's Dad
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I personally don't see any downside to playing smart, fundamental baseball. Whether you have guys that can hit lots of homeruns, a gap to gap bunch of hitters, a small ball type offense, or whatever, it just doesn't hurt to play fundamentally sound, smart baseball where you don't give opportunities or games away. To think otherwise is just "baseball ignorant."
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If the offense can score 820 runs, then it takes 4.25 RA/G to get to 95 wins. |
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2006 was a missed opportunity for the Reds of huge, gigantic, enormous, massive, mammoth, colossal, titanic, giant proportions...
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Matt's Dad
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Pitching, defense enhanced this spring
consider me skeptical, especially on the pitching side. Also without a new CF, the defensive improvements are a total of 1 player.
The Reds certainly don't have the look of a contender. Their pitching stinks, the defense will be average at best and the offense looks to be nothing special.
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Join Date: Sep 2001
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You either have to obtain those type of players or train them. It doesn't look good on the training part. I see no discernable uptick in the overall team "baseball smarts" during Narron's tenure. I guess we might see a bit this year, but to date I just haven't seen it. Have we obtained players that will significantly enhance our chances to win? I'd argue that Gonzalez was a reasonable stab at that. Other than that, thats pretty bare as well. When Krivsky and/or Narron are attaching a "plays the right way" tag to a player that doesn't have enough talent to make any difference to begin with those phrases begin to lose their meaning coming out of their mouths. As you stated above you have to have talented players. I think you's agree that you could have a little league team with flawless execution and a genious level of baseball smarts and they aren't going to win at the MLB level. Quote:
IMO one of the large problems the Reds have had in recent years is that they don't have a manager who "manages the right way" or "does the little things" to help the team win. IMO Narron mismanages his resources very badly. He doesn't put his players in the best position to succeed. (Granted he hasn't had a complete team to work with either) GL Last edited by gonelong; 02-02-2007 at 10:10 AM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Re: Pitching, defense enhanced this spring
I hear all of this talk about smart baseball...but at what point is it intelligent to watch our 2 big bats in Griffey and Dunn just wail away into drastic shifts while never attempting to hit the other way and get on and move guys around a bit.
When you see the SS playing on other side of 2nd base and those 2 just wail away even with 2 strikes, it is really just talk from Narron/Krivs... This offense isn't really about Freel, Phillips, Ross, or even the bad bat of Gonzalez. It is about getting more production from the middle of our lineup. I don't think we got the production out of the 3 or 4 hole all year long like other teams did. |
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