Big Ten Commish speaks about SEC

[Hoosier Red]

I don't disagree with you Sea Ray. I only see the team, so I don't necessarily care that IU has a high or low graduation rate, or is admitting Rhodes Scholars.
But I sure want my IU's president and Athletic Department to care.

[Reds Freak]

You really think the IU athletic department cares about the education of the basketball players? They may say they do, but I don't buy it. What brings in more money? Winning Big Ten and NCAA Championships or players with high GPA's? It's all about money. The only reason they care about academic performance is that it might hurt their reputation which could cause them to lose valuable recruits.

[Hoosier Red]

I think it matters that they get kids in that will stay eligible.
Admittedly easier to do at IU than at Northwestern. Probably harder than a lot of SEC schools.

[LincolnparkRed]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Red

I think it matters that they get kids in that will stay eligible.
Admittedly easier to do at IU than at Northwestern. Probably harder than a lot of SEC schools.

Staying eligible is a whole nother can of Worms, just ask Clem Haskins and Minnesota on how that is working out for them

[dabvu2498]

Using the NCAA's Academic Progress Rates to compare the two conferences, in football only, one finds this:

Big Ten
Northwestern -- 961
Penn St. -- 957
Michigan -- 952
Iowa -- 950
Indiana -- 931
OSU -- 925
Illinois -- 918
Minnesota -- 918
Wisconsin -- 914
Purdue -- 910
MSU -- 901
Average: 931.2

SEC:
Auburn -- 981
Florida -- 966
Ole Miss -- 958
Vanderbilt -- 957
UGa -- 950
Arkansas -- 940
Kentucky -- 940
LSU -- 935
Tennessee -- 926
MSU -- 920
Bama -- 916
USC -- 911
Average: 941.7

[DTCromer]

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

Using the NCAA's Academic Progress Rates to compare the two conferences, in football only, one finds this:

Big Ten
Northwestern -- 961
Penn St. -- 957
Michigan -- 952
Iowa -- 950
Indiana -- 931
OSU -- 925
Illinois -- 918
Minnesota -- 918
Wisconsin -- 914
Purdue -- 910
MSU -- 901
Average: 931.2

SEC:
Auburn -- 981
Florida -- 966
Ole Miss -- 958
Vanderbilt -- 957
UGa -- 950
Arkansas -- 940
Kentucky -- 940
LSU -- 935
Tennessee -- 926
MSU -- 920
Bama -- 916
USC -- 911
Average: 941.7

Auburn being the highest?

That completely invalidates the list. And UT being better than half of the Big 10 teams? Please. What kind of formula does the NCAA use?

[Sea Ray]

I imagine that list shows improvement not overall performance, thus the lower schools will look better because they have more room for improvement

[dabvu2498]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I imagine that list shows improvement not overall performance, thus the lower schools will look better because they have more room for improvement

Not really.

Here’s how it works: incentives and disincentives are tied to meaningful measures of academic performance that involve the academic progress rate (APR), the NCAA graduation success rate (GSR), and/or federal graduation rate data.

The APR is an academic measurement that includes primarily currently enrolled student-athletes. The federal methodology and the GSR do not reflect current, actual conditions.

The APR was developed to provide a more accurate, real time “snapshot” of a team’s academic success and to serve as a primary measurement on which incentives and disincentives will be based.

The APR is not intended to replace the federal measure or GSR; rather, it is a fairer measure that will help provide accurate, real-time data on academic progress on which the NCAA will base its reform principles.

The APR provides a much clearer picture of the current academic “culture” in each sport, and includes eligibility, retention, and graduation as factors in the rate calculation.

http://www2.ncaa.org/portal/academic...ic_reform.html

[DTCromer]

I would like someone to look me straight in the face and tell me Auburn's football program has smarter football players than Northwestern's. Please. . .someone. . . without laughing. I know there have been multiple times that a recruit couldn't get into a Florida school only to go up to Auburn and become eligible.

[gonelong]

Originally Posted by DTCromer

I would like someone to look me straight in the face and tell me Auburn's football program has smarter football players than Northwestern's. Please. . .someone. . . without laughing. I know there have been multiple times that a recruit couldn't get into a Florida school only to go up to Auburn and become eligible.

The calculation doesn't measure how smart your kids are or actually how many of them graduate. It is intended to measure the "progress" of the kids in your system as they move towards graduation.

925 is considered acceptable, anything lower and you potentially will start losing scholarships.

GL

[Hoosier Red]

Originally Posted by gonelong

The calculation doesn't measure how smart your kids are or actually how many of them graduate. It is intended to measure the "progress" of the kids in your system as they move towards graduation.

925 is considered acceptable, anything lower and you potentially will start losing scholarships.

GL

I'm actually surprised that NW, Penn State, and Vanderbilt are as high as they are. I would think the wash out rate for general student body is pretty high at those universities.
It does have quite an impact on whom you can allow in to the university, even if its just to play ball.

[reds1869]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Red

I'm actually surprised that NW, Penn State, and Vanderbilt are as high as they are. I would think the wash out rate for general student body is pretty high at those universities.
It does have quite an impact on whom you can allow in to the university, even if its just to play ball.

Not really. Better schools also tend to have higher retention rates, i.e. less drop outs. More selective=better success rate.

[George Foster]

Originally Posted by Herd Fan

Not really. Better schools also tend to have higher retention rates, i.e. less drop outs. More selective=better success rate.

There is something else you need to consider....money! If you are paying
25-30K a year to attend Vandy, they don't want to flunk you out. I'm sure they will, if you are a total screw up, but they will give you every chance they can. Also, with smaller class sizes at private schools, the professors get to know the students on a first name basis. It's harder to give a kid a bad grade if you know them personally and you know they are trying. It's just human nature. At a state school, you are just a number the first 2 years. Private schools take no tax dollars. All their revenue is from tuition and gifts.

It is true that with higher standards, you get kids with better potential.