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TheWalls · 02-16-2007, 12:59 PM

I'm sitting here comparing the starting 8, five most like starters and end of the pens for the Reds, Cards, Cubs and Brewers side by side.

The Brewers may be the most balanced, have the most upside with the youngsters, and the best pen. The Cards look old (Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion) and really thin at pitcher, but they have exceptional clutch hitting. The Cubs look like an incredibly expensive 85 win team that will have nice stats and a crappy record.

The Reds certainly don't look outclassed across the board. I think the top of the order will be able to manufacture runs, we have decent thumpers in the middle of the lineup and the bottom will keep pitchers honest. The defense other than the left side is good, especially if Junior moves to RF and I think the starters and pen both compare quite favorably.

I am struck by how all of these rosters are fragile to injuries to key players.

Take a look. (Sorry, the editor won't let me space better)

Reds Cards Cubs Brewers
1B Hatteberg Pujols Lee Fielder
2B Phillips Kennedy De Rosa Weeks
SS Gonzalez Eckstein Izturis Hardy
3B Encarnacion Rolen Ramirez Koskie
LF Dunn Duncan Murton Jenkins
CF Griffey Edmonds Soriano Hall
RF Freel Encarnacion Jones Hart
C Ross Molina Barrett Estrada

SP1 Harang Carpenter ZambranoCapuano
SP2 Arroyo Wells Lilly Sheets
SP3 Milton Reyes Marquis Suppan
SP4 Lohse Wainright Hill Bush
SP5 Saarlos Looper Prior Vargas

BP1 Stanton Isringhausen Dempster Cordero
BP2 Weathers Rincon Wood Wise
BP3 Coffey Flores Howry Turnbow
BP4 Bray Hancock Eyre Capellan

savafan · 02-16-2007, 01:04 PM

On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

dabvu2498 · 02-16-2007, 01:07 PM

Double post

dabvu2498 · 02-16-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

Playoffs?

savafan · 02-16-2007, 01:08 PM

playoffs=post season=championship series=fantasy land

jojo · 02-16-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWalls

The Cards look old (Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion) and really thin at pitcher, but they have exceptional clutch hitting.

The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

I won't even comment about the clutch hitting because it's so completely trumped by the Reds increased defensive IQ and heart.

savafan · 02-16-2007, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojo

The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

The Cards have the rotation most likely to spend the season on the DL as well.

Heath · 02-16-2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan

On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

The following is a bad statement -

If the Reds made the playoffs, I'd be thrilled. I could care less if they got swept. They made it.

vaticanplum · 02-16-2007, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath

If the Reds made the playoffs, I'd be thrilled. I could care less if they got swept. They made it.

I feel the same way right now.

I doubt I'd feel that way once they got there. I doubt you would either

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Caveman Techie · 02-16-2007, 04:01 PM

With the 1, 2 punch of Harang and Arroyo I would give the Reds a shot in any postseason matchup. It's getting there that is the real problem.

Highlifeman21 · 02-16-2007, 04:08 PM

74-75 wins

If we replace Jerry Narron prior to Opening Day (which won't happen), then we should see 84-86 wins.

This team somehow continues to win in spite of Jerry Narron.

reds44 · 02-16-2007, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojo

The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

:

Your kidding right?

Kip Wells, Anthony Reyes (era north of 5 last year), Adam Wainwright (hasn't started in the majors, but I think he's the best of the 3), and Braden Looper strikes fear in my heart.

Redhook · 02-16-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

Playoffs?

PickOff · 02-16-2007, 06:43 PM

Healthy Prior = 95 wins

...for the Cubs that is

dunner13 · 02-16-2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

Your kidding right?

Kip Wells, Anthony Reyes (era north of 5 last year), Adam Wainwright (hasn't started in the majors, but I think he's the best of the 3), and Braden Looper strikes fear in my heart.

Braden Looper could be our best player this year. Im betting dunn gets at least 5 homeruns off looper alone.

02-16-2007, 12:59 PM	#1
TheWalls Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 358	Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) I'm sitting here comparing the starting 8, five most like starters and end of the pens for the Reds, Cards, Cubs and Brewers side by side. The Brewers may be the most balanced, have the most upside with the youngsters, and the best pen. The Cards look old (Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion) and really thin at pitcher, but they have exceptional clutch hitting. The Cubs look like an incredibly expensive 85 win team that will have nice stats and a crappy record. The Reds certainly don't look outclassed across the board. I think the top of the order will be able to manufacture runs, we have decent thumpers in the middle of the lineup and the bottom will keep pitchers honest. The defense other than the left side is good, especially if Junior moves to RF and I think the starters and pen both compare quite favorably. I am struck by how all of these rosters are fragile to injuries to key players. Take a look. (Sorry, the editor won't let me space better) Reds Cards Cubs Brewers 1B Hatteberg Pujols Lee Fielder 2B Phillips Kennedy De Rosa Weeks SS Gonzalez Eckstein Izturis Hardy 3B Encarnacion Rolen Ramirez Koskie LF Dunn Duncan Murton Jenkins CF Griffey Edmonds Soriano Hall RF Freel Encarnacion Jones Hart C Ross Molina Barrett Estrada SP1 Harang Carpenter ZambranoCapuano SP2 Arroyo Wells Lilly Sheets SP3 Milton Reyes Marquis Suppan SP4 Lohse Wainright Hill Bush SP5 Saarlos Looper Prior Vargas BP1 Stanton Isringhausen Dempster Cordero BP2 Weathers Rincon Wood Wise BP3 Coffey Flores Howry Turnbow BP4 Bray Hancock Eyre Capellan Last edited by TheWalls; 02-16-2007 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Display issues

02-16-2007, 01:04 PM	#2
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

02-16-2007, 01:07 PM	#3
dabvu2498 Yay! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 7,260	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) Double post __________________ When all is said and done more is said than done.

02-16-2007, 01:08 PM	#5
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) playoffs=post season=championship series=fantasy land __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

02-16-2007, 04:01 PM	#10
Caveman Techie Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 820	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) With the 1, 2 punch of Harang and Arroyo I would give the Reds a shot in any postseason matchup. It's getting there that is the real problem.

02-16-2007, 04:08 PM	#11
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) 74-75 wins If we replace Jerry Narron prior to Opening Day (which won't happen), then we should see 84-86 wins. This team somehow continues to win in spite of Jerry Narron.

02-16-2007, 06:43 PM	#14
PickOff Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,332	Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side) Healthy Prior = 95 wins ...for the Cubs that is __________________ Thank goodness for baseball. Last edited by PickOff; 02-16-2007 at 07:27 PM.

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