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Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Gotta love the instinct for humans to find patterns where random chance is at work.
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Churlish
Join Date: Sep 2001
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
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We loves us some heroes.
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Vavasor
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Amarillo, TX
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Clutch hitting exists.
Clutch anything exists. pitching, pizza making, coloring in the lines. Clutch hitters? dunno about that. Because the definition is so varied is one reason to say clutch hitters do not exist. But even if they do, what if that clutch hitter is facing a clutch pitcher? So the skillset is even harder to quantify. I do believe that the skillset exists though. Here is why. I used to be a television director. Every night, Monday through Friday I directed the 6:00 and 10:00 newscasts. These got to be pretty routine. In the fall, we did a Friday night football show. The pace was frantic. scripts came back during the open, tapes would come in in the intro to that particular tape. During this show, my crew really shined. Election shows were the same way. High pressure, high performance. What makes baseball different is that your direct opponent, in this case the pitcher, can also be feeling the moment and stepping up his game. It may be we cannot track clutch hitting because it would also require tracking clutch pitching. Plus you have to take into account that at any given moment, any player can deliver in the clutch. Whatever clutch actually is.
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Score Early, Score Often
Join Date: Sep 2001
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
If you have sports media covering the event, there has to be a REASON for everything.
The players practiced too much this week and lost - they were on tired legs. They players practiced too lightly this week and lost - they were a bit rusty/not sharp. I think the problem with clutch is that the media wants you to think the players are "elevating their game" when what they are truely doing is maintaining their games under pressure better than the rest of the players. Thats a kind of clutch I'll believe in. GL |
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Haunted by walks
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Syracuse
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
I agree. Clutch is just the absence of choke.
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Matt's Dad
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Brownsburg, Indiana
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Better off leaving the horse for dead.
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Rally Onion!
Join Date: May 2000
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
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I can buy that. I'm sure there are some players when it's pressure time, get too uptight to function like normal. But I don't think the "clutch" players try harder in those type situations. Not many more players are more clutch than David Ortiz. But if he pops up with a runner on 2nd in the 3rd inning in a game in May, does that mean he wasn't trying as hard as he would have in a similar situation in the 9th inning?
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Score Early, Score Often
Join Date: Sep 2001
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Probably, but we have new members rolling in all the time who might bring a fresh perspective or idea to the discussion.
I did a quick search for the "abscense of clutch" and found a few threads that I posted in that I don't even remember. At least I was consistent. ![]() GL |
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Passion for the game
Join Date: Jul 2000
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
If clutch hitting Does Not exist then why are we talking about it?
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Matt's Dad
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
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Haunted by walks
Join Date: Apr 2000
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Matt's Dad
Join Date: May 2000
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Reggie Sanders.
Regular season career numbers: .266 / .342 / .487 over 6,168 ABs in 1,753 regular season games. Post-season career numbers: .195 / .283 / .326 in 221 ABs in 62 post-season games. Reggie Sanders is quite possibly one of the most unclutch players in the history of baseball. He's so bad when the post-season lights are on that he's anti-clutch. In order to have anti-matter, you must first have matter. Similarly, if there is anti-clutch as demonstrated by R Laverne Sanders, then by definition there must also be clutch. Last edited by 15fan; 03-19-2007 at 03:32 PM. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: PDX
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Re: Art of clutch hitting: Or wait, I think that dead horse just moved
Baseball is hard, myths live on about just about everything in the game
Like Tony Perez, Clutch hitter .279 .341 .463 - Career .284 .364 .469 - Career RISP .273 .280 .318 - Playoffs RISP .179 .226 .393 - World Series RISP |
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