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TheWalls · 04-09-2007, 08:33 AM

I know it's only a sample size of six games (five of them in hockey conditions), but I worry that the Reds two losses have been to pretty pedestrian lefties. Management has contributed to this problem with its one-sided emphasis of left handed power. My question is: can the Reds improve against lefties or will this be our offensive Achilles heel again this year?

Degenerate39 · 04-09-2007, 08:36 AM

It's still early so I really don't know yet. Only time will tell.

Ron Madden · 04-09-2007, 08:45 AM

Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.

Degenerate39 · 04-09-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Madden

Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.

That's where Deno would have came in. What about Norris Hopper when he returns? Is he a right or lefty?

Dunner44 · 04-09-2007, 08:51 AM

I was sure when Jerry made the ouble switch yesterday that it would be with Castro, not Moller. He's just a horrible hitter (granted, Castro's not much better, but at least he gets on hot streaks).

ThatPitchIsDunn · 04-09-2007, 09:02 AM

Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

You're right on with Lilly though.

TOBTTReds · 04-09-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatPitchIsDunn

Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

You're right on with Lilly though.

I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.

Chip R · 04-09-2007, 09:21 AM

I beleve Maholm is a lefty and the Reds handled him pretty well. he's about as pedestrian as you get.

PuffyPig · 04-09-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AvesIce51

I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.

We had about 3 balls hit against Liily that would have been HR's on any normal day..

Lilly and Duke are about he same, league average starters.

UK Reds Fan · 04-09-2007, 11:44 AM

I guess we're hoping Hopper can get back and give us a stick from the right side...I can't see why Moeller would not automatically be sent away when Hopper's heal is better.

Problem is Norris has no power, but a high OBP guy. Do we give Griffey more days off vs. Lefties for an additional RH outfield bat?

Reds need more production from back part of lineup vs. lefties. Ross, Gonzo, etc...need to step it up and be more impactful.

BRM · 04-09-2007, 11:52 AM

Hopper's career OBP in the minors is .345. That's not bad but I don't know that I'd classify him as a "high OBP" guy. And you're right, he has zero power. That said, I'd take him on the roster over Moeller in a heartbeat.

blumj · 04-09-2007, 12:05 PM

A lot of average pitchers are more feast or famine than really pedestrian overall, and Lilly tends to be like that. If you let him settle in and get his curveball working, you're probably going to have a tough time. If you get to him early, you can knock him around.

westofyou · 04-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Doug Davis tonight

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			AB 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	BB 	K 	SB 	CS 	GIDP 	AVG 	OBP 	SLG 	OPS 	 
 Juan Castro 		17 	4 	2 	0 	0 	0 	0 	3 	0 	0 	1 	.235 	.235 	.353 	.588 	 
 Jeff Conine 		18 	6 	2 	0 	0 	1 	1 	3 	1 	0 	1 	.333 	.368 	.444 	.813 	 
 Adam Dunn 		29 	6 	0 	0 	2 	2 	6 	9 	0 	0 	0 	.207 	.343 	.414 	.757 	 
 Edwin Encarnación 	10 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	2 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.100 	.250 	.200 	.450 	 
 Ryan Freel 		18 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	6 	0 	0 	0 	.056 	.105 	.056 	.161 	 
 Álex González 		4 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	2 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.200 	.000 	.200 	 
 Ken Griffey Jr. 	23 	4 	2 	0 	1 	4 	2 	6 	0 	0 	0 	.174 	.240 	.391 	.631 	 
 Scott Hatteberg 	18 	6 	1 	0 	1 	4 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.333 	.350 	.556 	.906 	  
 Chad Moeller 		1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.000 	.000 	.000 	 
 Brandon Phillips 	14 	6 	1 	0 	0 	0 	3 	0 	0 	1 	0 	.429 	.529 	.500 	1.029 	 
 David Ross 		9 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	5 	0 	0 	1 	.111 	.111 	.222 	.333 	 
 Javier Valentín 	3 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.000 	.000 	.000

dougdirt · 04-09-2007, 02:17 PM

That doesn't look promising WOY.... considering Conine and Hatteberg both do fairly well against him... but only Conine will be playing. Although given BPs success against him, maybe he can break out of this slump he has had at the start of the season.

pedro · 04-09-2007, 02:19 PM

Considering contracts I think I'd take my chances with Duke over Lilly.

04-09-2007, 08:33 AM	#1
TheWalls Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 358	Reds vs. Lefties I know it's only a sample size of six games (five of them in hockey conditions), but I worry that the Reds two losses have been to pretty pedestrian lefties. Management has contributed to this problem with its one-sided emphasis of left handed power. My question is: can the Reds improve against lefties or will this be our offensive Achilles heel again this year?

04-09-2007, 08:36 AM	#2
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,849	Re: Reds vs. Lefties It's still early so I really don't know yet. Only time will tell. __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

04-09-2007, 08:45 AM	#3
Ron Madden Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,815	Re: Reds vs. Lefties Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.

04-09-2007, 08:51 AM	#5
Dunner44 Can he be stopped? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Notre Dame Posts: 1,231	Re: Reds vs. Lefties I was sure when Jerry made the ouble switch yesterday that it would be with Castro, not Moller. He's just a horrible hitter (granted, Castro's not much better, but at least he gets on hot streaks). __________________ Tom Shearn... who knew? Reds reccord when I attend in 2007: 6-1

04-09-2007, 09:02 AM	#6
ThatPitchIsDunn Kittens give Morbo gas Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 331	Re: Reds vs. Lefties Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian. You're right on with Lilly though. __________________ No one expects the butterfly

04-09-2007, 09:21 AM	#8
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,330	Re: Reds vs. Lefties I beleve Maholm is a lefty and the Reds handled him pretty well. he's about as pedestrian as you get. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

04-09-2007, 11:44 AM	#10
UK Reds Fan Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CHATTANOOGA, TN USA Posts: 284	Re: Reds vs. Lefties I guess we're hoping Hopper can get back and give us a stick from the right side...I can't see why Moeller would not automatically be sent away when Hopper's heal is better. Problem is Norris has no power, but a high OBP guy. Do we give Griffey more days off vs. Lefties for an additional RH outfield bat? Reds need more production from back part of lineup vs. lefties. Ross, Gonzo, etc...need to step it up and be more impactful.

04-09-2007, 11:52 AM	#11
BRM Let's ride Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado's eastern plains Posts: 11,232	Re: Reds vs. Lefties Hopper's career OBP in the minors is .345. That's not bad but I don't know that I'd classify him as a "high OBP" guy. And you're right, he has zero power. That said, I'd take him on the roster over Moeller in a heartbeat.

04-09-2007, 12:05 PM	#12
blumj Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,349	Re: Reds vs. Lefties A lot of average pitchers are more feast or famine than really pedestrian overall, and Lilly tends to be like that. If you let him settle in and get his curveball working, you're probably going to have a tough time. If you get to him early, you can knock him around. __________________ "Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons

04-09-2007, 02:17 PM	#14
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 31,108	Re: Reds vs. Lefties That doesn't look promising WOY.... considering Conine and Hatteberg both do fairly well against him... but only Conine will be playing. Although given BPs success against him, maybe he can break out of this slump he has had at the start of the season. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

04-09-2007, 02:19 PM	#15
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Reds vs. Lefties Considering contracts I think I'd take my chances with Duke over Lilly. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

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