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Matt700wlw · 05-13-2007, 01:09 PM

The Reds are 54-67 (.446)

When he was extended back in June of last year, they were 41-36 (.532) and in second place, 1 1/2 games behind St. Louis.

I said at the time they jumped the gun on the extension, and I'm pretty sure almost everybody agreed with me.

Homer Bailey · 05-13-2007, 01:43 PM

I disagree I like where our team stands right now.

Sike.

redsmetz · 05-13-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

The Reds are 54-67 (.446)

When he was extended back in June of last year, they were 41-36 (.532) and in second place, 1 1/2 games behind St. Louis.

I said at the time they jumped the gun on the extension, and I'm pretty sure almost everybody agreed with me.

While I can understand the logic, I was not one who agreed with questioning the extension. I think Narron's a better manager than most RZer's believe.

oneupper · 05-13-2007, 02:03 PM

Narron's extension was premature and much too long. BCast made a "Narron" mistake...extrapolating the performance of a small sample.

And it wasn't like Narron's phone was ringing off the hook with offers from other clubs.

Matt700wlw · 05-13-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redsmetz

While I can understand the logic, I was not one who agreed with questioning the extension. I think Narron's a better manager than most RZer's believe.

I'm not putting all of this teams problems on Narron, that wouldn't be fair...I do think they jumped the gun though.

Always Red · 05-13-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

I'm not putting all of this teams problems on Narron, that wouldn't be fair...I do think they jumped the gun though.

I think they did too, but really if they wanted to get rid of him, swallowing his salary wouldn't be that big of a hit, compared to the other salaries they are throwing away this year (Cormier, LaRue, probably Stanton later one, etc).

I agree with redsmetz. I think Narron is a better manager than most RZ'ers believe.

Gainesville Red · 05-13-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by oneupper

Narron's extension was premature and much too long. BCast made a "Narron" mistake...extrapolating the performance of a small sample.

Is extending a manager an owner or GM decision?

Rotater Cuff · 05-13-2007, 02:39 PM

The kiss of death extension. You could see the balloon deflate while the ink was drying on Narroon's new contract.
Coffee was the recepient of a very well timed extension. It focused him on making sure his pitches split the middle of the plate.
We are currently enjoying the fruits of turning a #1 ace (Harang)into a comfortable $4 through a well timed extension. Oh yes, almost forgot about the extension David Ross used as an incentive to catapult himself :thumbdown into the first ranks of #3 catchers!

reds44 · 05-13-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gainesville Red

Is extending a manager an owner or GM decision?

The fact WK and JN were extended at the same time leads me to believe it was BCast's decison.

GullyFoyle · 05-13-2007, 07:11 PM

After todays loss, its just about time to start the "Pick the Date Narron gets Fired" pool.

savafan · 05-13-2007, 07:14 PM

In my personal opinion, I think if the Reds are going to continue running out the managers that they have in recent seasons, it would make sense to do so on a series of one year contracts.

durl · 05-14-2007, 09:08 AM

Maybe I've missed the thread, but I can't recall any discussing firing the pitching coach. His charges are the ones most responsible for our bad run. A bullpen with an ERA closing in on 5?

I just don't see how firing Narron will make the bullpen quit giving away leads that our offense hands them every other night.

hebroncougar · 05-14-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by redsmetz

While I can understand the logic, I was not one who agreed with questioning the extension. I think Narron's a better manager than most RZer's believe.

Based on?

Chip R · 05-14-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by savafan

In my personal opinion, I think if the Reds are going to continue running out the managers that they have in recent seasons, it would make sense to do so on a series of one year contracts.

Worked for Walt Alston.

RedsManRick · 05-14-2007, 10:35 AM

If we had the best manager who ever existed, what would our record be over the last 14 months?

You fire managers for underachieving or losing the ability to lead a team effectively. Fact is that given the talent at hand, Narron isn't underachieving. Does he have control of the locker room? Beats me, though I've seen suggestions that trouble is brewing.

I'm just not convinced that re-arranging deck chairs is going to accomplish anything.

I'm a pretty firm believer that you don't fire any manager based on a stretch of team performance of anything less than a half season, unless there is a significant off the field problem. Bringing in a new manager isn't like bringing in a new RF who can step on the field and pick right up.

05-13-2007, 01:43 PM	#2
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,593	Re: Since Narron's extension... I disagree I like where our team stands right now. Sike.

05-13-2007, 02:03 PM	#4
oneupper Danger is my business! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Back in Florida Posts: 7,843	Re: Since Narron's extension... Narron's extension was premature and much too long. BCast made a "Narron" mistake...extrapolating the performance of a small sample. And it wasn't like Narron's phone was ringing off the hook with offers from other clubs. __________________ "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." http://dalmady.blogspot.com

05-13-2007, 02:39 PM	#8
Rotater Cuff Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 150	Re: Since Narron's extension... The kiss of death extension. You could see the balloon deflate while the ink was drying on Narroon's new contract. Coffee was the recepient of a very well timed extension. It focused him on making sure his pitches split the middle of the plate. We are currently enjoying the fruits of turning a #1 ace (Harang)into a comfortable $4 through a well timed extension. Oh yes, almost forgot about the extension David Ross used as an incentive to catapult himself :thumbdown into the first ranks of #3 catchers!

05-13-2007, 07:11 PM	#10
GullyFoyle Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 481	Re: Since Narron's extension... After todays loss, its just about time to start the "Pick the Date Narron gets Fired" pool.

05-13-2007, 07:14 PM	#11
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Since Narron's extension... In my personal opinion, I think if the Reds are going to continue running out the managers that they have in recent seasons, it would make sense to do so on a series of one year contracts. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

05-13-2007, 01:09 PM	#1
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,129	Since Narron's extension... The Reds are 54-67 (.446) When he was extended back in June of last year, they were 41-36 (.532) and in second place, 1 1/2 games behind St. Louis. I said at the time they jumped the gun on the extension, and I'm pretty sure almost everybody agreed with me. __________________ An excited shade of Red

05-14-2007, 09:08 AM	#12
durl Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nashvull Posts: 1,743	Re: Since Narron's extension... Maybe I've missed the thread, but I can't recall any discussing firing the pitching coach. His charges are the ones most responsible for our bad run. A bullpen with an ERA closing in on 5? I just don't see how firing Narron will make the bullpen quit giving away leads that our offense hands them every other night.

05-14-2007, 10:35 AM	#15
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,907	Re: Since Narron's extension... If we had the best manager who ever existed, what would our record be over the last 14 months? You fire managers for underachieving or losing the ability to lead a team effectively. Fact is that given the talent at hand, Narron isn't underachieving. Does he have control of the locker room? Beats me, though I've seen suggestions that trouble is brewing. I'm just not convinced that re-arranging deck chairs is going to accomplish anything. I'm a pretty firm believer that you don't fire any manager based on a stretch of team performance of anything less than a half season, unless there is a significant off the field problem. Bringing in a new manager isn't like bringing in a new RF who can step on the field and pick right up. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 05-14-2007 at 10:40 AM.

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