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Redman15 · 06-25-2007, 03:46 PM

Yes,Turner,Heisey,Phipps,Parker,Rodriguez and Kainer. They are all pretty solid minor leaguers.

Aronchis · 06-25-2007, 03:51 PM

I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.
1.Stubbs looks like a flop
2.The Smith,Webb,Heisey,Parker fluff have done little to impress
3.Ravin is to young to have a impression
4.Valakia/Turner look very ordinary. Good BA, poor walk total. I suspect they may struggle more up the ladder.

The frontrunners out of this group are Watson and Roenicke who both have shown power arms and are moving. Roenicke maybe ready by next season and Watson's development could explode next year as he continues to pile up the innings.

Hopefully some others rise. The bats look poor, the arms show more promise. I guess that may be the good thing about the 2006 draft so far. Ravin developing next year would be even better.

Benihana · 06-25-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aronchis

I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.

Why does this surprise no one?

Watson and Roenicke look very strong so far. Ravin is very young and raw, but either he or Gonzalez are the favorites to be the next HS hurler the Reds develop now that Homer has broken the curse.

RedsManRick · 06-25-2007, 05:08 PM

Regarding the Stubbs/Cameron comparisons:

When Cameron was 22, he was putting up .249/.355/.429 in AA. At 23, he put up .300/.402/.600 in AA. At 24 he put in 30 games at AAA (.275/.378/.533). He's been in the majors since.

At 22, Stubbs is putting up .248/.345/.361.... in Low A. The guy is 2 developmental levels behind Cameron. He either needs to put the bat on the ball a lot more (something I'm not sure is possible) or develop massive power.

This year is important, but next year will be the real marker. Either he turns the corner, or he gains bust status.

rdiersin · 06-26-2007, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aronchis

I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.
1.Stubbs looks like a flop
2.The Smith,Webb,Heisey,Parker fluff have done little to impress
3.Ravin is to young to have a impression
4.Valakia/Turner look very ordinary. Good BA, poor walk total. I suspect they may struggle more up the ladder.

The frontrunners out of this group are Watson and Roenicke who both have shown power arms and are moving. Roenicke maybe ready by next season and Watson's development could explode next year as he continues to pile up the innings.

Hopefully some others rise. The bats look poor, the arms show more promise. I guess that may be the good thing about the 2006 draft so far. Ravin developing next year would be even better.

I tend to agree with that and that's not to mention that Watson has given up home runs at a decent rate in low A. Not exactly what one would expect given his other numbers. It will be interesting to see what comes of that as he moves up the ladder.

Kc61 · 06-26-2007, 03:37 PM

Dayton is losing 13 to 3 today. Stubbs is hitless in 3 trips.

I'm starting to wonder what's going on with this guy. Is that injury acting up? He hasn't had a good hitting game in -- how long?

Red Leader · 06-26-2007, 03:47 PM

Their whole team is in a funk at the moment. Gonzalez lost his start the other night and they're going to be headed for 0-6 or 0-7 in the second half.

Having said that, it seems like it's been awhile since Stubbs has had a good game at the plate.

BRM · 06-26-2007, 03:51 PM

He went 2-4 with a double on June 22nd.

His numbers for the month of June are dismal. He has a line of .182/.267/.208. A .475 OPS for the month.

flyer85 · 06-26-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BRM

He went 2-4 with a double on June 22nd.

His numbers for the month of June are dismal. He has a line of .182/.267/.208. A .475 OPS for the month.

don't forget the Gold Glove defense.

15fan · 06-26-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Leader

Having said that, it seems like it's been awhile since Stubbs has had a good game at the plate.

Drew's 2007 YTD Stats

1 extra base hit in the last 10 games (43 ABs)

15 Ks and 5 BBs over that same stretch.

His YTD splits are really disconcerting. He's absolutely atrocious with runners on and / or in scoring position.

John Oliver, Ty Howington, and Chris Gruler look like they're about to have a 4th for cards.

DTCromer · 06-26-2007, 04:51 PM

What I am gathering from this thread is that Stubbs was WK's only pick in the draft last year.

Red Leader · 06-26-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTCromer

What I am gathering from this thread is that Stubbs was WK's only pick in the draft last year.

No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

That's the feeling I'm getting.

Aronchis · 06-26-2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Leader

No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

That's the feeling I'm getting.

Yes, teams never miss on first round picks.

I bet Beane is still crying over missing on Brad Sulliven in the 2003 draft

jojo · 06-26-2007, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Leader

No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

That's the feeling I'm getting.

It doesn't help that they passed on Linceum to take Stubbs....

HokieRed · 06-26-2007, 08:19 PM

O'Brien: Bailey, Bruce
Krivsky: Stubbs

Says a lot

06-25-2007, 03:46 PM	#61
Redman15 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: California Posts: 504	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) Yes,Turner,Heisey,Phipps,Parker,Rodriguez and Kainer. They are all pretty solid minor leaguers.

06-25-2007, 03:51 PM	#62
Aronchis Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,673	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop. 1.Stubbs looks like a flop 2.The Smith,Webb,Heisey,Parker fluff have done little to impress 3.Ravin is to young to have a impression 4.Valakia/Turner look very ordinary. Good BA, poor walk total. I suspect they may struggle more up the ladder. The frontrunners out of this group are Watson and Roenicke who both have shown power arms and are moving. Roenicke maybe ready by next season and Watson's development could explode next year as he continues to pile up the innings. Hopefully some others rise. The bats look poor, the arms show more promise. I guess that may be the good thing about the 2006 draft so far. Ravin developing next year would be even better. Last edited by Aronchis; 06-25-2007 at 04:04 PM.

06-25-2007, 05:08 PM	#64
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,913	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) Regarding the Stubbs/Cameron comparisons: When Cameron was 22, he was putting up .249/.355/.429 in AA. At 23, he put up .300/.402/.600 in AA. At 24 he put in 30 games at AAA (.275/.378/.533). He's been in the majors since. At 22, Stubbs is putting up .248/.345/.361.... in Low A. The guy is 2 developmental levels behind Cameron. He either needs to put the bat on the ball a lot more (something I'm not sure is possible) or develop massive power. This year is important, but next year will be the real marker. Either he turns the corner, or he gains bust status. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

06-26-2007, 03:37 PM	#66
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,824	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) Dayton is losing 13 to 3 today. Stubbs is hitless in 3 trips. I'm starting to wonder what's going on with this guy. Is that injury acting up? He hasn't had a good hitting game in -- how long?

06-26-2007, 03:47 PM	#67
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) Their whole team is in a funk at the moment. Gonzalez lost his start the other night and they're going to be headed for 0-6 or 0-7 in the second half. Having said that, it seems like it's been awhile since Stubbs has had a good game at the plate. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

06-26-2007, 03:51 PM	#68
BRM Let's ride Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado's eastern plains Posts: 11,232	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) He went 2-4 with a double on June 22nd. His numbers for the month of June are dismal. He has a line of .182/.267/.208. A .475 OPS for the month.

06-26-2007, 04:51 PM	#71
DTCromer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,325	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) What I am gathering from this thread is that Stubbs was WK's only pick in the draft last year.

06-26-2007, 08:19 PM	#75
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,042	Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game) O'Brien: Bailey, Bruce Krivsky: Stubbs Says a lot

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