7-12-07 - Redlegs-Metropolitans at Queens

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by Big Klu

What about Hatteberg?

According to ESPN Radio today...

He gone. Where? Probably to Minnesota () for another promising arm the Twins have given up on.

[KittyDuran]

Originally Posted by vaticanplum

Is it an issue of a leader? I don't put that kind of problem all on the shoulders of one player...on a manager maybe...some players lead by example. Griffey at his peak with the Mariners was as good an example as there is.

I don't know what it is. Just that I feel that this team has consigned itself to losing. It's been a losing team for going on eight years now, but one of the reasons last year's (losing) team was so fun was because it didn't seem to have that air about it. Lacking talent, yes, but lacking a desire to win...not quite. I can't explain it, I probably shouldn't try.

Winning just enough to lose... or no "killer" instinct. And it has been going on for 6 seasons... well ever since 2000.

[BRM]

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

Listend to the last 3 innings of the Mets broadcast. People don't like Marty...fine. That's there perogative. But lets drop the charade that every other broadcast on radio by someone with a last name other than Brenneman is baseball nirvana.

Well, for starters, I don't think anyone ever positioned the idea that every other broadcaster was baseball nirvana. Also, the big difference here was the Mets crew was belittling their team's opponent, not their own squad. Brenneman berates his own team on a regular basis.

[BRM]

Originally Posted by SteelSD

Interesting. Apparently, we value "productive outs" except when Adam Dunn produces one that moves a runner into scoring position when down by one Run in the ninth inning with two strikes on him while facing a lefty hammer throwing 97 MPH.

That is interesting, isn't it?

[Ltlabner]

Originally Posted by BRM

Well, for starters, I don't think anyone ever positioned the idea that every other broadcaster was baseball nirvana. Also, the big difference here was the Mets crew was belittling their team's opponent, not their own squad. Brenneman berates his own team on a regular basis.

Plenty of people have bragged about how Marty is "unlistenable" and other broadcasts are on such a higher plane. Sure, no one has typed the exact words, "Marty suxx, every other broadcast team rulz!" but over and over it's been positioned that the other teams feed is 100% better than Marty. Well, I just don't hear it. And I've been listening to plenty of other teams feeds lately just to check them out. (well, that and I got MLB.tv premium without reading the blackout rules. Since I can not get any Reds games I figured I better watch a lot of other teams ballgames to make up for it). I've listened to both TV and radio feeds to check out a range of different folks.

Guess what? Everytime I listen to another teams feed I hear the same things. It wasn't just that the Mets team last night was ripping on the Reds. They were just as condesencding and snotty as Marty can be. They made factual errors. They made goofy comments that had nothing to do with the game. Guess what, they even dared to focus on batting average (gasp!). You are telling me that Keith Hernandez isn't every bit as egotistical and opinionated as Marty? Please. Keith even commented that finding statistics on baseball is "difficult". Huh?

Look, there's already a couple of threads banging on Marty and we've been around and around about it. There's never going to be changing anyones mind because it all boils down to subjective tastes in what people expect from a broadcast.

[oneupper]

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

You are telling me that Keith Hernandez isn't every bit as egotistical and opinionated as Marty? Please.

That VOICE! (KH) Aarrgghhhh...

[BRM]

I have to admit, I wasn't a fan of listening to Hernandez last night.

[MississippiRed]

Originally Posted by flyer85

Ross once again does not block the plate

Flyer, obviously my reply is late in coming, but I think Ross did about as well as could be expected on that play. His left foot is on the correct side of the plate, pointing toward the runner--just like it should be (IMO). It was a great slide by Milledge; I had to look at it several times to see that he actually touched the plate on the back side. Just an excellent slide.

Oh yeah, Hamilton throws him out by about 10 feet.

[KronoRed]

Originally Posted by KittyDuran

Winning just enough to lose... or no "killer" instinct. And it has been going on for 6 seasons... well ever since 2000.

Heck it's probably been going on longer then that, the 99 team crumbling in Milwaukee comes to mind

[KittyDuran]

Originally Posted by KronoRed

Heck it's probably been going on longer then that, the 99 team crumbling in Milwaukee comes to mind

Nah... that was Jason Bere putting a hex on them...