Phillies lose 10,000th

[BCubb2003]

Could be worse, Reds fans.

[cumberlandreds]

I wonder what the Reds all time record is? Anyone know?

[Reds Fanatic]

Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

I wonder what the Reds all time record is? Anyone know?

They had this in the Dayton paper the other day. The Reds all time record is 9208-9161.

[Yachtzee]

Wow. I knew they were way up there in all-time losses. Unloveable losers, sometimes I think it's amazing that they're the team that survived in Philly and the A's were the ones that moved.

[Yachtzee]

Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic

They had this in the Dayton paper the other day. The Reds all time record is 9208-9161.

Is that counting back to 1882 or 1876?

[MrCinatit]

Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.

[cumberlandreds]

Originally Posted by MrCinatit

Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.

Thanks! I think I would go with the baseballreference.com figures.

[Yachtzee]

Originally Posted by MrCinatit

Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.

Maybe DDN was only going back to 1890 or '91, whenever the Reds re-entered the National League.

[Reds Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

Is that counting back to 1882 or 1876?

The writer said it was going back to 1876 but if baseball reference has it different I am sure the writer had to make an error somewhere.

[westofyou]

WINS                             W        L       PCT    
1    Giants                    10108     8627     .540   
2    Cubs                       9901     9376     .514   
3    Dodgers                    9787     8892     .524   
4    Cardinals                  9762     9107     .517   
5    Braves                     9611     9638     .499   
6    Reds                       9600     9285     .508   
7    Pirates                    9317     8991     .509   
8    Yankees                    9171     6942     .569   
9    Phillies                   8759     9953     .468   
10   Red Sox                    8443     7960     .515   
11   Indians                    8380     8029     .511   
12   Tigers                     8314     8118     .506   
13   White Sox                  8301     8091     .506   
14   A's                        7964     8413     .486   
15   Senators/Twins             7885     8508     .481   
16   Browns/Orioles             7811     8579     .477   
17   Angels                     3596     3726     .491   
18   Astros                     3579     3583     .500   
19   Senators/Rangers           3415     3888     .468   
20   Mets                       3409     3741     .477   
21   Royals                     2934     3083     .488   
22   Expos/Nationals            2907     3115     .483   
23   Pilots/Brewers             2836     3187     .471   
24   Padres                     2781     3248     .461   
25   Blue Jays                  2345     2390     .495   
26   Mariners                   2227     2508     .470   
27   Browns/Orioles             1131     1046     .520   
28   Marlins                    1041     1160     .473   
29   Rockies                    1025     1180     .465   
30   Colonels                    988     1319     .428   
31   Spiders                     826      934     .469   
32   Diamondbacks                728      730     .499

[westofyou]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=6453

While you can find an endless array of fascinating statistics, on this web site in other places, for the teams, the number that eventually mean the most are team wins and losses. And no team in baseball history has lost quite like the Philadelphia Phillies—they are just one defeat away from becoming the first major league franchise to reach 10,000 losses, as they have an all-time record of 8,810-9,999.

Though the Phillies have tried to put off the milestone as long as possible by beating the Cardinals in their first two games after the All-Star break, it’s still represents a lot of losing, as both the Philadelphia Daily News’ Paul Hagen and Philadelphia Inquirer’s Frank Fitzpatrick have noted. Hagen points out that the Phillies would need 32 consecutive 100-win seasons to get up to .500, while Fitzpatrick notes the Phillies would need to win 1,189 straight games to reach the break-even point. The official response? “It is mind-boggling,” Larry Shenk, the Phillies’ vice president for public relations, told the Inquirer. “But it’s what it is. We’ll take it and move on.”

One distinction the Phillies may lose in 2009 is the all-time record for consecutive losing seasons, which they set with 16 from 1933-48. Pittsburgh is at 14 and counting, as the Pirates are 40-50 and seem to be a lock for another sub-.500 finish this year.

[BCubb2003]

I wonder what their pythag is?

[Roy Tucker]

For the era I've followed NL baseball (1964-present), I've always thought the Phillies were a pretty good ball club.

Just eyeballing baseball-reference, that stretch between 1918-1948 was absolutely brutal for the Phils. That's a long daggone time to play horrible baseball. I can understand the origins of the boo-birds.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by BCubb2003

I wonder what their pythag is?

.483

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by Roy Tucker

For the era I've followed NL baseball (1964-present), I've always thought the Phillies were a pretty good ball club.

Just eyeballing baseball-reference, that stretch between 1918-1948 was absolutely brutal for the Phils. That's a long daggone time to play horrible baseball. I can understand the origins of the boo-birds.

Yep, the worst run in the history, fraught with goats as lawnmowers, a crumbling stadium and the worse pitching ever.

I wrote a piece on the worst run of bad seasons in the history of the game and they are the studs of the stable

http://baseballminutia.com/blog/2006...ve-star-stink/